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re: Pete Carroll ~VS~ Nick Saban
Posted on 4/26/16 at 10:23 am to bamasgot13
Posted on 4/26/16 at 10:23 am to bamasgot13
It's a fair look since Pete was at USC for 9 years and Saban has been at Bama for 9 years.
Both inherited teams coming off extended stretches of down years and multiple coaching missteps.
In 9 years, Carrol went 98-19 (winning percentage of .838). Under the system all D1 teams played under at the time, Pete won 2 titles (or 1.5, depending on perspective).
In 9 years, Saban has gone 106-18 (winning percentage of .855). Under the system(s) all D1 teams have played under during Saban's tenure, he's won 4 titles (looking only at USC Pete vs Bama Saban).
Both had 6 loss seasons in their first year, which is understandable considering what both inherited. After that is where Saban separates himself.
Pete Carroll had the following embarrassing loses AFTER his first year:
2nd season: 27-20 to KSU, 30-27 to WSU
3rd season: 34-31 to unranked Cal
6th season: 33-31 Cal (unranked), 13-9 UCLA (unranked)
7th season: 24-23 Stanford (unranked and a 40+ point dog)
8th season: 27-21 Oregon State (unranked)
9th season: 16-13 Washington (unranked), 47-20 Oregon, 55-21 Stanford, and 21-17 Arizona (unranked)
7 losses to unranked teams. 2 losses of greater than 20 points.
From 2nd season on, Saban has never lost to an unranked team, never had more than 3 losses in a season, and never lost by more than 14 points.
I'm biased, but the numbers don't lie. I'd take Saban's best years over Pete's best years. All the winning, more titles, and less WTH losses.
Both inherited teams coming off extended stretches of down years and multiple coaching missteps.
In 9 years, Carrol went 98-19 (winning percentage of .838). Under the system all D1 teams played under at the time, Pete won 2 titles (or 1.5, depending on perspective).
In 9 years, Saban has gone 106-18 (winning percentage of .855). Under the system(s) all D1 teams have played under during Saban's tenure, he's won 4 titles (looking only at USC Pete vs Bama Saban).
Both had 6 loss seasons in their first year, which is understandable considering what both inherited. After that is where Saban separates himself.
Pete Carroll had the following embarrassing loses AFTER his first year:
2nd season: 27-20 to KSU, 30-27 to WSU
3rd season: 34-31 to unranked Cal
6th season: 33-31 Cal (unranked), 13-9 UCLA (unranked)
7th season: 24-23 Stanford (unranked and a 40+ point dog)
8th season: 27-21 Oregon State (unranked)
9th season: 16-13 Washington (unranked), 47-20 Oregon, 55-21 Stanford, and 21-17 Arizona (unranked)
7 losses to unranked teams. 2 losses of greater than 20 points.
From 2nd season on, Saban has never lost to an unranked team, never had more than 3 losses in a season, and never lost by more than 14 points.
I'm biased, but the numbers don't lie. I'd take Saban's best years over Pete's best years. All the winning, more titles, and less WTH losses.
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Posted on 4/26/16 at 10:28 am to RT1941
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The NCAA vacating nonsense is a rubber stamp and means absolutely nothing.
Can Bama claw back some of those wins we vacated as well?
Posted on 4/26/16 at 10:30 am to bamasgot13
Posted on 4/26/16 at 10:32 am to DannyGallowherd
Pete Carroll gets the nod as overall better coach because he was able to win on both the college and NFL level. Nick Saban is a better college coach (although it's close), and Pete Carroll is a better NFL coach (not very close at all).
Posted on 4/26/16 at 10:32 am to SummerOfGeorge
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In the years since Malzahn has gotten to Auburn they have tested Bama in certain ways. This years game was even close into the 4th quarter when Auburn had no business being in it. So to a degree Saban does have some problems with Malzahn, but he still gets the job done most of the time
The fact that 2 games that Alabama won by 11 pts and 16 pts are considered some sort of evidence as a problem with another team/coach is just a testament to Saban's dominance.
But those Auburn teams weren't good, so in some ways it is. I'm not saying Cowherd was right or not, I'm just saying Auburn has played Bama tough even when outgunned badly with Malzahn. The 4th quarter this year I think was a 6 point type game (or maybe late in the 3rd I don't recall but i know 2nd half).
Posted on 4/26/16 at 10:33 am to TTsTowel
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Nick Saban is a better college coach (although it's close),
It's really not even close.
Posted on 4/26/16 at 10:34 am to 14&Counting
Cowherd has clearly always stated that he has a West Coast Bias, I.E. USC, Seattle Seahawks, his obsession with that non American supporting company Starbucks, and people still fall for this baiting bullshite. He does this every year, he hates the SEC, it's called dick envy people. I hate Alabama just as bad as the next LSU fan but what Alabama has accomplished in the last 7 years is far superior than what USC accomplished. Not to mention Saban won titles at 2 schools and arguably brought both of them back to their current relevance. I'll state again that I hate Alabama but they have been carrying our conference dominance on saturdays in the fall for the last 7-8 years. When is the last time we talked about Alabama football having a serious rebuilding year? 2007??? That's almost 10 years ago people, what Saban has done as far as consistency in today's college game is far superior than any coach in the history of the game.
Posted on 4/26/16 at 10:37 am to LSUTigers9458
Agreed. Bama's run is clearly superior to USC's.
This post was edited on 4/26/16 at 10:38 am
Posted on 4/26/16 at 10:41 am to TTsTowel
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Pete Carroll gets the nod as overall better coach because he was able to win on both the college and NFL level. Nick Saban is a better college coach (although it's close), and Pete Carroll is a better NFL coach (not very close at all).
Not sure if I agree with that entirely... Pete got TONS of "help" at USC(Reggie Bush.. cough cough)... Take away some of those players that he "recruited" and I don't think Pete wins quite as many games...
NFL yes Pete has done better, however, his teams were VASTLY more talented than Saban's teams at Miami and even still, he had Miami looking respectable...
Not saying that he would do better in the NFL than Carrol but I don't think we can definitively say that Pete is better... Interesting conversation though...
Posted on 4/26/16 at 10:41 am to DannyGallowherd
Saban
At Alabama: 100-18
Against Final Ranked Teams: 29-15
Against Final Top 10 Teams: 10-12
Major Bowl Wins: 5
BCS/CFP Titles: 4
Carroll
At USC: 83-18
Against Final Ranked Teams: 21-9
Against Final Top 10 Teams: 10-3
Major Bowl Wins: 5
BCS Titles: 0
At Alabama: 100-18
Against Final Ranked Teams: 29-15
Against Final Top 10 Teams: 10-12
Major Bowl Wins: 5
BCS/CFP Titles: 4
Carroll
At USC: 83-18
Against Final Ranked Teams: 21-9
Against Final Top 10 Teams: 10-3
Major Bowl Wins: 5
BCS Titles: 0
Posted on 4/26/16 at 10:43 am to TTsTowel
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Pete Carroll is a better NFL coach
Now, yes. After being an NFL HC for a total of 10 seasons.
People have short term memories though. Pete Carrol went 6-10 in his first year as an NFL HC. Got fired.
In his next opportunity he went 10-6, 9-7, 8-8 (see the pattern of NOT getting better each year?). Got fired.
In Seattle, he went 7-9, 7-9 before finally breaking through to 11-5 and getting better from there. His first 6 seasons as an NFL HC he was a combined 47-49. Not exactly setting the world on fire.
Posted on 4/26/16 at 10:45 am to Korin
Carroll's first two seasons in the NFL
16-16
Saban's first two season in the NFL
15-17
Not a huge gap. Also Carroll was fired after his first year in the NFL.
16-16
Saban's first two season in the NFL
15-17
Not a huge gap. Also Carroll was fired after his first year in the NFL.
Posted on 4/26/16 at 10:46 am to BradPitt
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4 national titles in 25 years?
I think it is five national titles in 25 years. Saban's four and 92.
Posted on 4/26/16 at 10:46 am to Korin
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Saban
At Alabama: 100-18
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Against Final Top 10 Teams: 10-12
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Carroll
At USC: 83-18
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Against Final Top 10 Teams: 10-3
So in 118 games Saban, has lost only 6 times to a team that didn't finish in the top 10.
In 101 games, Carroll lost 15 times to teams that didn't finish in top 10.
Posted on 4/26/16 at 10:48 am to bamasgot13
Carroll does have that SuperBowl ring.
Saban spent a lot of years in the league with the Browns and Oilers as well as Miami and probably knows the NFL system as well as anyone. I think if an owner gave him total control over draft and personel decisions, he could win one too.....but yeah, he is a better college coach because he is the best recruiter out there...
Saban spent a lot of years in the league with the Browns and Oilers as well as Miami and probably knows the NFL system as well as anyone. I think if an owner gave him total control over draft and personel decisions, he could win one too.....but yeah, he is a better college coach because he is the best recruiter out there...
Posted on 4/26/16 at 10:53 am to DannyGallowherd
another brilliant troll from DannyGallowherd 
Posted on 4/26/16 at 10:54 am to DannyGallowherd
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He claimed that Alabama's dynasty under Saban is 2007-2016 "BORING" compared to USC's under Pete Carroll 2001-2009.
He's right. It is boring compared to USC. Nothing against Alabama, but Reggie Bush was one of the most electrifying college football players in history.
Posted on 4/26/16 at 10:55 am to Dignan
Amari Cooper > Reggie Bush
Posted on 4/26/16 at 10:57 am to SummerOfGeorge
Saban may not be a better game day coach, but when it comes to recruiting and preparing, there's no one better.
Posted on 4/26/16 at 11:19 am to Buckeye06
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But those Auburn teams weren't good, so in some ways it is. I'm not saying Cowherd was right or not, I'm just saying Auburn has played Bama tough even when outgunned badly with Malzahn. The 4th quarter this year I think was a 6 point type game (or maybe late in the 3rd I don't recall but i know 2nd half).
The 2014 Auburn team went 8-5 (and were 8-3 going into the game). Alabama was winning 55-36 with 40 seconds left in the game.
The 2015 Auburn team went 3-4 at home. In their 4 losses they lost by :
- 9 win Miss St (8)
- 10 win Ole Miss (8)
- 10 win Georgia (7)
- 14 win Alabama (16)
I mean, is the expectation to win by 40? Malzahn's teams have Top 10-15 talent on them. Other than the LSU game in Baton Rouge Auburn pretty much played every game close (wins and losses).
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