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Posted on 10/19/14 at 2:14 pm to BamaGradinTn
I don't know. Texas' coaching search last year took a long time and they're a top tier (maybe #1 overall) job.
I don't think money means much anymore. A lot of schools can pony up money for a coach. Foley's track record is to hire young, up and coming guys. There were a lot of options a few years ago. Now? Not sure. But they're probably not going for Mullen.
I don't think money means much anymore. A lot of schools can pony up money for a coach. Foley's track record is to hire young, up and coming guys. There were a lot of options a few years ago. Now? Not sure. But they're probably not going for Mullen.
Posted on 10/19/14 at 2:15 pm to Tammany Tom
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Florida is a Top 3 job in America.
Yeah, people keep saying shite like this...so explain why they hired the dipshit that's there now. People have been saying the same thing since before Muschamp was hired.
Top 3 job? I'd be willing to be that neither Saban, Malzahn, nor Miles would take it. That's 3 just in the SEC.
Posted on 10/19/14 at 2:15 pm to randomways
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I'm not sure if you're serious or just parodying people who would say something like that.
Serious. Go look at his teams at Ole Miss when he didn't have Eli or Tubberville's recruits. He was a shite recruiter and refused to fire people on his staff that needed to go. He had Patrick fricking Willis as an offensive player in '04 and never recruited any elite talent outside of Eli. He told Deangello Williams he wasn't big enough to be an every down back in the SEC. So he went to Memphis and was a thorn in our side for 3-4 years until he started his NFL career.
In 2004 we had literally everyone from the 2003 team back except for Eli and Chris Collins and we went 4-8. Would have been 3-9 if not for our last second touchdown against South Carolina. And if State had been somewhat decent we may have been 2-10.
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Posted on 10/19/14 at 2:17 pm to cornhat
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A lot of schools can pony up money for a coach.
That's one of my points. Lots of people try to say that Florida could outspend just about anyone. The reality is that especially with the SEC network, every school is swimming in cash. If they do get a Mullen or a Freeze, it won't be because they outbid their current employers.
Posted on 10/19/14 at 2:20 pm to FDOM
This is still a premiere football job: fertile recruiting base, national brand, top facilities, committed top-notch AD, lots of talent on the roster, etc.
I think they should throw all the money in the world at Chip Kelly or Art Briles as their 1-2 guys. I doubt either accepts but it is worth it. From there they should go after Mike Gundy or another established offensive-minded head coach.
I think they should throw all the money in the world at Chip Kelly or Art Briles as their 1-2 guys. I doubt either accepts but it is worth it. From there they should go after Mike Gundy or another established offensive-minded head coach.
Posted on 10/19/14 at 2:24 pm to BamaGradinTn
Yeah, but no one's saying just salary is the sole draw of coaching in Florida. The recruiting base is gold. Foley is willing to give his coaches any resources at his disposal. No income tax. A high profile job and conference. An hour or so from the beach (east and west coast). Good academics (for whatever it's worth).
It's gotten so bad recently that top recruits who grew up as Gator fans are choosing elsewhere.
It's gotten so bad recently that top recruits who grew up as Gator fans are choosing elsewhere.
Posted on 10/19/14 at 2:25 pm to BallstotheWesleyWall
The thing about chip kelly is that they would have to wait until the nfl season ends. Also, he isn't leaving the nfl this year if ever. Harbaugh is much more realistic but still a longshot by miles.
Posted on 10/19/14 at 2:26 pm to reggierayreb
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You're in the center of some of the most fertile recruiting territory in the US,
You guys are pretty close to LA, TX, and other strong areas. Miami may be Florida, but it's a helluva long way form Gainesville.
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you get 4 mil a year and a 5 million dollar buyout.
Get ready to pay Freeze $4M after this year.
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you're in the SEC Georgia division so you don't get...Ole Miss every year
You get LSU every year though. quote:
you live a few hours from the beach where you have your own little bungalow you bought straight cash
One hour, actually. Not closer enough to factor into the decision for some guys being mentioned who are already only 3 or 4 hours from the beach...and they all can already afford their own bungalow.
Posted on 10/19/14 at 2:26 pm to Henry Jones Jr
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Serious. Go look at his teams at Ole Miss when he didn't have Eli or Tubberville's recruits. He was a shite recruiter and refused to fire people on his staff that needed to go. He had Patrick fricking Willis as an offensive player in '04 and never recruited any elite talent outside of Eli. He told Deangello Williams he wasn't big enough to be an every down back in the SEC. So he went to Memphis and was a thorn in our side for 3-4 years until he started his NFL career.
In 2004 we had literally everyone from the 2003 team back except for Eli and Chris Collins and we went 4-8. Would have been 3-9 if not for our last second touchdown against South Carolina. And if State had been somewhat decent we may have been 2-10.
I think recent history trumps a decade ago (and even then, he was a successful coach at a historical cellar-dweller, unlike Nutt. He didn't have a losing season until his 6th, and went 10-3 in his fifth season. That's a far cry from "good for 3 years.")
But you should pay closer attention to what he's done at Duke. He's taken a team whose history, Spurrier aside, makes OM's history look like one of the greatest traditions ever, and improved it to incredible levels. And, yes, he's recruited very well for a program that can barely find players capable of qualifying. Better than Spurrier did there, easily. There's no reason why he can't do well at UF, where he can put up a much better fight for top recruits than he could at Old Miss.
Posted on 10/19/14 at 2:29 pm to autodd03
If Harbaugh goes somewhere after this year, my guess is Dolphins in the NFL or Michigan in college. I think there's about a 1 percent chance that Kelly leaves for Florida if offered, but it's worth a call.
Posted on 10/19/14 at 2:30 pm to BamaGradinTn
quote:The recruits in Florida don't just live in Miami. And for those Miami recruits, Gainesville is still closer than any other SEC school. A lot of these kids want to stay in state and it's a Florida State/Florida decision.
You guys are pretty close to LA, TX, and other strong areas. Miami may be Florida, but it's a helluva long way form Gainesville.
Posted on 10/19/14 at 2:32 pm to cornhat
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Yeah, but no one's saying just salary is the sole draw of coaching in Florida. The recruiting base is gold. Foley is willing to give his coaches any resources at his disposal. No income tax. A high profile job and conference. An hour or so from the beach (east and west coast). Good academics (for whatever it's worth).
Not saying that none of this is true, but Florida doesn't own those plusses exclusively. You think the OM and MSU ADs aren't going to give Freeze and Mullen whatever they want, especially if one gets into the playoff? And they're already in the high profile conference. Yeah, I think Briles might make sense...the SEC would definitely be a step up for him...but he's in perhaps an even bigger recruiting area...which he admittedly has to share with more schools...and he also doesn't have state income tax. And he's already making $1,250,000 more than you're paying your current guy.
Posted on 10/19/14 at 2:36 pm to MaroonNation
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No descent coach will go near that dumpster fire right now
I would rate UF as the second best job in the SEC behind Alabama due to the schools built in recruiting resources. They have wealthy boosters, a committed AD and tons and tons of recruits in that state alone.
Posted on 10/19/14 at 2:40 pm to cornhat
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The recruits in Florida don't just live in Miami. And for those Miami recruits, Gainesville is still closer than any other SEC school. A lot of these kids want to stay in state and it's a Florida State/Florida decision.
Not necessarily. Half of the top 40 for 2015 in the state are committed to go out of state...even as far as UCLA. Sure, it's a fertile recruiting ground. But you have to compete against every top program in the country. We've got two coming from south Florida.
Posted on 10/19/14 at 2:41 pm to BamaGradinTn
quote:You are pointing out schools that have some of those pluses. I'm saying Florida is one of the few schools that has all of those pluses. Briles isn't coming here anyway. He's a Baylor lifer. There's something to be said for being content where you are and there's nothing you can do about that.
Not saying that none of this is true, but Florida doesn't own those plusses exclusively.
Maybe you think I believe UF can get anyone they want? No, I don't believe that. But it's a damn good job with all the resources at your disposal. No restrictions.
Posted on 10/19/14 at 2:42 pm to FDOM
Doc Holliday over at Marshall might not be a bad choice. Former Florida assistant from 2005-07. Offensive guy. Is winning at Marshall without someone named Chad Pennington or Randy Moss.
But that's only if they don't jump in the Harbaugh race (and I'd at least make him say no).
But that's only if they don't jump in the Harbaugh race (and I'd at least make him say no).
Posted on 10/19/14 at 2:44 pm to tiger perry
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I would rate UF as the second best job in the SEC behind Alabama due to the schools built in recruiting resources. They have wealthy boosters, a committed AD and tons and tons of recruits in that state alone.
Even if all of this is true, it still begs the question:
What makes Florida fans so certain that Foley will get it right this time?
All of these plusses that everyone mentions...they all existed four years ago. Hell, lots of them existed when Foley hired Zook.
Foley's batting .333 so far in hiring head football coaches. He had more than enough time to do an extensive search last time and make a sound decision.
Why is it going to be different this time?
EDIT: And actually, Florida fans may be more realistic that other fans who just assume that they will.
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Posted on 10/19/14 at 2:45 pm to cornhat
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But it's a damn good job with all the resources at your disposal. No restrictions.
I can't disagree with that at all.
Posted on 10/19/14 at 2:45 pm to BamaGradinTn
quote:Of course it's not absolute. But more often than not, yes. In state schools have more connections to high schools in state than out of state schools. Bama has Mario Cristobal and they're a good team.
Not necessarily. Half of the top 40 for 2015 in the state are committed to go out of state...even as far as UCLA. Sure, it's a fertile recruiting ground. But you have to compete against every top program in the country. We've got two coming from south Florida.
Florida is a dumpster fire and still top recruits are considering us. But at this point, the damage is done from this coaching staff.
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