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re: LOL at trying to include College Baseball in Big 3 discussion
Posted on 6/21/16 at 2:22 pm to 3rddownonthe8
Posted on 6/21/16 at 2:22 pm to 3rddownonthe8
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The division 1 college baseball programs average a loss of $700,000 per year
Since the conversation started as being SEC specific, what do those revenue numbers look like?
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Posted on 6/21/16 at 2:35 pm to CCTider
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That said, I agree with you. I just think you're a dumbass.
Posted on 6/21/16 at 2:44 pm to pvilleguru
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Go ahead. No one will argue that UCLA is better than us in basketball.
Yeah you missed the point. UCLA > Bama period. Neither one of us wants to touch that, but I have a feeling it would get a few responses, and I think I know what those responses would be
Posted on 6/21/16 at 2:49 pm to Serraneaux
Funny to see a gator knocking baseball. Guess the OP's attitude explains why the gator baseball team draws so poorly in comparison to how good the teams are. OP can rank baseball any way he wants, but fans at A&M, Ark,Moo St. O.Miss, LSU, Vandy, S.Car. will continue to pack their stadiums and help the conference lead the nation in attendance over & over & over again. Rank the sport any way you want, but a 3 game wkend series at any of the above parks is great entertainment and great sports with great athletes & coaching.
Posted on 6/21/16 at 2:54 pm to Serraneaux
I didn't read the entire thread and I am not sure if you spam the board on this issue, but first, I want to say I wouldn't consider basketball a "0.5". If you are talking about the NCAA as a whole, look at schools like Kentucky, North Carolina, Duke, Kansas... The list goes on. Basketball is king at those schools.
Look at schools like Gonzaga, Marquette, St John's, Seton Hall, etc. These teams do not have a football program and since basketball is big at these schools, it is their main sport so I think you underestimate basketball.
As for as college baseball, at most schools baseball isn't popular. At LSU and throughout the SEC the popularity might rival the popularity of some minor league programs.
Look at the attendance numbers. Nine teams in 2015 averaged 4000+ people per game, six of those nine teams are in the SEC.
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The attendance for softball is much lower than baseball, but it is viewed more than baseball. I am not that big of a baseball fan, I pull for LSU, I follow it during the season, but don't really watch them until post season, but I do enjoy watching softball. Either way, as a whole I don't think baseball is hardly a "big 3" in college, however; there are a few schools that can argue that it is at their university, LSU being one.
Look at schools like Gonzaga, Marquette, St John's, Seton Hall, etc. These teams do not have a football program and since basketball is big at these schools, it is their main sport so I think you underestimate basketball.
As for as college baseball, at most schools baseball isn't popular. At LSU and throughout the SEC the popularity might rival the popularity of some minor league programs.
Look at the attendance numbers. Nine teams in 2015 averaged 4000+ people per game, six of those nine teams are in the SEC.
LINK
The attendance for softball is much lower than baseball, but it is viewed more than baseball. I am not that big of a baseball fan, I pull for LSU, I follow it during the season, but don't really watch them until post season, but I do enjoy watching softball. Either way, as a whole I don't think baseball is hardly a "big 3" in college, however; there are a few schools that can argue that it is at their university, LSU being one.
Posted on 6/21/16 at 2:55 pm to OweO
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Either way, as a whole I don't think baseball is hardly a "big 3" in college
I don't think anyone is arguing that baseball is Big 3 nationwide. Just in the SEC, and for a big majority of the schools in the SEC it is.
I'd view women's basketball as Big 3 nationwide.
Posted on 6/21/16 at 2:58 pm to OweO
Holy shite...nine teams averaged 4k?
Posted on 6/21/16 at 3:06 pm to Keltic Tiger
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Funny to see a gator knocking baseball. Guess the OP's attitude explains why the gator baseball team draws so poorly in comparison to how good the teams are. OP can rank baseball any way he wants, but fans at A&M, Ark,Moo St. O.Miss, LSU, Vandy, S.Car. will continue to pack their stadiums and help the conference lead the nation in attendance over & over & over again. Rank the sport any way you want, but a 3 game wkend series at any of the above parks is great entertainment and great sports with great athletes & coaching.
He's a Vol.
This post was edited on 6/21/16 at 3:07 pm
Posted on 6/21/16 at 3:16 pm to Serraneaux
Men's Football
Men's Basketball
Women's Basketball
Big 3. Always has been, always will be. College baseball is closer to track in importance and viewership.
Men's Basketball
Women's Basketball
Big 3. Always has been, always will be. College baseball is closer to track in importance and viewership.
Posted on 6/21/16 at 3:23 pm to CNB
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I don't think anyone is arguing that baseball is Big 3 nationwide. Just in the SEC, and for a big majority of the schools in the SEC it is.
I'd view women's basketball as Big 3 nationwide.
As for as the SEC as a whole I agree. The link I posted was 2014's numbers, my mistake, here are 2015's.
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As for as the 3rd sport of the Big 3, as a whole, I think you have to look at it from a school to school basis. According to this, it looks like hockey is extremely popular at schools with hockey teams.
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Posted on 6/21/16 at 3:29 pm to OweO
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Look at the attendance numbers. Nine teams in 2015 averaged 4000+ people per game, six of those nine teams are in the SEC.
Look at Women's basketball numbers. Twenty-Five teams in 2016 averaged 4000+ people per game, five of those teams are in the SEC (MIZZOU missed it by 10 people per game). So, it shows you how much stronger the following is for baseball in the SEC than in the rest of the country. Everybody else follows Women's basketball more...in the SEC, they are very close to the same.
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Posted on 6/21/16 at 3:29 pm to kywildcatfanone
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Men's Football
Men's Basketball
Women's Basketball
Not that this means women's basketball isn't in the Big 3. Its an article from 2012, but it shows that even top programs like UCONN doesn't turn a profit.
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Posted on 6/21/16 at 3:31 pm to AlabamaAlum07
What's the story behind many of the Vols being so vocally anti-college baseball?
Is there a historical antecedent here?
It seems to go beyond the shoulder-shrug/"meh, I'm not really a fan," and enters the territory of "I have to convince everyone I'm right about this."
Is there a historical antecedent here?
It seems to go beyond the shoulder-shrug/"meh, I'm not really a fan," and enters the territory of "I have to convince everyone I'm right about this."
Posted on 6/21/16 at 3:35 pm to EKG
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What's the story behind many of the Vols being so vocally anti-college baseball?
Is there a historical antecedent here?
It seems to go beyond the shoulder-shrug/"meh, I'm not really a fan," and enters the territory of "I have to convince everyone I'm right about this."
They'll never admit it but a part of it has to be because Vandy is so good at it. This narrative really ramped up after Vandy won their title.
This post was edited on 6/21/16 at 3:37 pm
Posted on 6/21/16 at 3:36 pm to Vandyrone
That honestly makes a ton of sense.
Posted on 6/21/16 at 3:37 pm to EKG
It's what bothers me the most.
I don't like the fans of college baseball that pimp it as on par with basketball or football. Most claims about college baseball are true.
BUT, I still enjoy it and so do many people in the SEC. And every year we have threads and posts of people who aren't fans telling us how little they care about it. It can be legitimate threads discussing a game and these people go out of their way to share that they don't like it.
I enjoy the sport, and don't give a frick if you do or not. Why do you care that I like it?
Drives me nuts, m80.
I don't like the fans of college baseball that pimp it as on par with basketball or football. Most claims about college baseball are true.
BUT, I still enjoy it and so do many people in the SEC. And every year we have threads and posts of people who aren't fans telling us how little they care about it. It can be legitimate threads discussing a game and these people go out of their way to share that they don't like it.
I enjoy the sport, and don't give a frick if you do or not. Why do you care that I like it?
Drives me nuts, m80.
Posted on 6/21/16 at 3:39 pm to CNB
Well said.
I couldn't care less about gymnastics; but I can certainly appreciate the fact that many people are fans.
I couldn't care less about gymnastics; but I can certainly appreciate the fact that many people are fans.
Posted on 6/21/16 at 3:39 pm to Tom Haverford
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Only a complete douchebag uses TV Ratings to try to say x is better or worse than y.
Only a college baseball fan would see it that way.
The whole concept of the "Big 3" is basically "these are the three college sports that matter." When you are talking cultural relevance (ie "what matters") there is no better metrics than TV ratings or social media mentions. Period.
The reality that many fans here don't want to accept is that nationally most sports fans don't give a shite about college baseball. Even in the SEC, overall most SEC fans don't give a shite about college baseball. It is a subpar product without elite talent and it shows. Women's Basketball is more relevant (via ratings) than college baseball for a reason- that league has professional level talent in it.
The only reason people on this forum delude themselves into thinking college baseball is a bigger deal than it is because a few of the programs in the SEC care more about it than most programs in the country. It's a regional quirk at best, and one that isn't even shared across the entire SEC.
If there was such a thing as a Big 10 Rant then I bet some of those posters would claim college hockey was part of the "Big 3." I bet on a PAC Rant people would claim Lacrosse was one of the Big 3. They are just as wrong as the SEC fans are that try to claim baseball.
There is a big one and a little one. And that is all. There is no third, nothing comes close to men's college basketball nationally for relevance.
But I honestly don't care if people want to pretend baseball is part of a "Big 3." A while back I realized that me shitting on college baseball is like when Aggie haters shite on us for having the gall to not fold our program just because people say mean things about it. People like different things, and popularity isn't always a sign of quality. If someone likes college baseball more power to them, the whole point of all college sports is entertainment anyway. It isn't like the G8 where international politics are at stake.
Posted on 6/21/16 at 3:39 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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No, SEC College Baseball is comparable to AA baseball, per scouts.
More like High A. There is definitely an adjustment period for SEC guys when they get to AA. Look at Swanson and Benintendi's AA numbers so far compared to their college numbers last year.
ETA: I love major league baseball and follow it very closely, but college baseball is a horrendous product. Don't see how anyone could really argue it's a quality sport.
This post was edited on 6/21/16 at 3:42 pm
Posted on 6/21/16 at 3:44 pm to AlabamaAlum07
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He's a Vol.
He/She is an attention whore. The vols don't even like him/her.
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