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re: League Imbalance Update: The march towards 0-14
Posted on 10/17/16 at 9:57 am to TheTideMustRoll
Posted on 10/17/16 at 9:57 am to TheTideMustRoll
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I feel like this is a lead-in to one of your posts about how Auburn needs to be moved to the East
No, it's somehow a lead-in to how Arkansas needs to be kicked out of the conference
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Posted on 10/17/16 at 10:06 am to Porcine Human
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uh that number should be a lot higher
Missouri's offensive numbers get a huge statistical bump from running up the score on two no-names.
The difference between their Scoring Offense and their Scoring Offense vs P5 teams is staggering.
Overall - #5 in the SEC at 33.2 ppg
vs P5 teams - #11 at 14.8 ppg
I think that artificial bump is the reason for it.
Interesting tidbit - the East has 4 teams averaging below 15 ppg vs P5 opponents:
Missouri - 14.8
South Carolina - 12.8
Kentucky - 12.5
Vanderbilt - 10.6
That's the bottom 4 of the SEC. MSU is 10th, at just over 20 ppg.
Posted on 10/17/16 at 10:14 am to TheTideMustRoll
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I feel like this is a lead-in to one of your posts about how Auburn needs to be moved to the East, but that wouldn't fix anything
There needs to be a shake-up. Auburn is the most logical team to move to the East. But switching Auburn and Missouri will not do much to help things. Either Kentucky or Vanderbilt need to move to the West if the goal is to solve the imbalance issue.
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The real issue is that Georgia and Florida need to get their damn acts together.
Obviously we are not helping matters this season, but Georgia has not been the problem for period of time in which the imbalance has been evident.
Winning percentage against the West (2008-2016):
55.0%- Georgia (11-9)
36.8%- Florida (7-12)
36.4%- Missouri (4-7)
30.0%- South Carolina (6-14)
23.5%- Vanderbilt (4-13)
12.0%- Kentucky (3-22)
5.2%- Tennessee (1-18)
Vandy, Kentucky, and Tennessee have been the biggest baggage. However, Tennessee seems to be turning their program around. Vandy's record is a bit inflated thanks to the few good years under James Franklin.... that record is only getting worse.
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Dawgs and Gators have no excuse.
Dawgs and Gators have not been the real issue if you look at the big picture. There is no excuse for Kentucky and Vandy to have such poor records when they get to play the Mississippi schools every season.
Posted on 10/17/16 at 10:51 am to BHMKyle
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It's a growing problem that needs to be addressed.
Suck it up and get better...there, it's been addressed.
Posted on 10/17/16 at 11:19 am to Kafkas father
If the SEC weren't planning any more expansion they should split the SEC along actual nearer geographic lines:
East:
Florida
Georgia
Kentucky
South Carolina
Tennessee
Alabama
Auburn
West:
Arkansas
LSU
Mississippi State
Ole Miss
Texas A&M
Vandy
Missouri
This not only actually puts teams in a more correct geographical locations and addresses the imbalance you cite but eliminates the justification for the "permanent opponent" as Alabama vs. Tennessee and Auburn vs. Georgia are now intra-divisional games and Alabama and Auburn can continue to play each other each year, which seems to be the major consideration of the SEC in scheduling. Then the SEC could get to a true rotation of the opposite division and have each team play all conference teams more often than once a decade.
But since this would conceivably benefit LSU I know I will be accused of proposing it simply for that reason. I also don't think we'd see any talk of this until the SEC gets to 16 teams and where those teams come from (say we get NC State and Virginia Tech- they obviously go East; Oklahoma obviously goes West).
Personally, I see a lot in the the roommate switch to like, but I know that realignment isn't really the subject at hand.
East:
Florida
Georgia
Kentucky
South Carolina
Tennessee
Alabama
Auburn
West:
Arkansas
LSU
Mississippi State
Ole Miss
Texas A&M
Vandy
Missouri
This not only actually puts teams in a more correct geographical locations and addresses the imbalance you cite but eliminates the justification for the "permanent opponent" as Alabama vs. Tennessee and Auburn vs. Georgia are now intra-divisional games and Alabama and Auburn can continue to play each other each year, which seems to be the major consideration of the SEC in scheduling. Then the SEC could get to a true rotation of the opposite division and have each team play all conference teams more often than once a decade.
But since this would conceivably benefit LSU I know I will be accused of proposing it simply for that reason. I also don't think we'd see any talk of this until the SEC gets to 16 teams and where those teams come from (say we get NC State and Virginia Tech- they obviously go East; Oklahoma obviously goes West).
Personally, I see a lot in the the roommate switch to like, but I know that realignment isn't really the subject at hand.
Posted on 10/17/16 at 11:41 am to BHMKyle
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2009: West was 12-7 against the East (+5.3 point avg. margin)
2010: West was 16-3 against the East (+9.5 point avg. margin)
2011: West was 13-6 against the East (+10.2 point avg. margin)
2012: West was 8-7 against the East (+5.0 point avg. margin)
2013: West was 9-6 against the East (+5.1 point avg. margin)
2014: West was 11-4 against the East (+14.4 point avg. margin)
2015: West was 13-2 against the East (+10.6 point avg. margin)
2016: West is 7-0 against the East (+23.4 point avg. margin)
That's a total record of 89-35 for .718 pct.
One West team is 19-1 for a .950 pct.
Take them away and it's 70-34. Still pretty bad at .673.
Posted on 10/17/16 at 11:42 am to BHMKyle
So you're saying it's time for realignment??
Been saying it for years...
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This not only actually puts teams in a more correct geographical locations and addresses the imbalance you cite but eliminates the justification for the "permanent opponent" as Alabama vs. Tennessee and Auburn vs. Georgia are now intra-divisional games and Alabama and Auburn can continue to play each other each year, which seems to be the major consideration of the SEC in scheduling. Then the SEC could get to a true rotation of the opposite division and have each team play all conference teams more often than once a decade.
Been saying it for years...
This post was edited on 10/17/16 at 11:45 am
Posted on 10/17/16 at 11:50 am to BHMKyle
If I were betting on this I would say the most likely game the East could win over the West is Kentucky beating Miss. State.
Next would be Florida beating Arkansas in Fayetteville.
The others don't seem likely to occur at all
Next would be Florida beating Arkansas in Fayetteville.
The others don't seem likely to occur at all
Posted on 10/17/16 at 12:00 pm to skrayper
Bama fan tries to make a non Bama thread about Bama... shocking I know
Posted on 10/17/16 at 12:03 pm to BHMKyle
Stop hiring will muschamp to be one of your teams coaches.
Vandy and Kentucky -go hire some high school football coach, get some kind of gimmick offense. option, spread, run and shoot. Pay some players, idk just do something other then being terrible constantly.
Vandy and Kentucky -go hire some high school football coach, get some kind of gimmick offense. option, spread, run and shoot. Pay some players, idk just do something other then being terrible constantly.
Posted on 10/17/16 at 12:08 pm to frankenfish
quote:How does that address imbalance? Just shifts the weakness from east to west. It doesn't balance the divisions.
This not only actually puts teams in a more correct geographical locations and addresses the imbalance you cite
This post was edited on 10/17/16 at 12:09 pm
Posted on 10/17/16 at 12:10 pm to frankenfish
East:
Tennessee
Alabama
Auburn
Vanderbilt
Kentucky
Georgia
Florida
West:
LSU
Arkansas
Mississippi State
Ole Miss
Texas A&M
South Carolina
Missouri
They've already shown Geography doesn't matter with Missouri.
Ship South Carolina out east and I could deal with the change.
Would be nice for TN to still play all their long term rivals (Aub, Bama, UF, UGA, Vandy and UK)
Tennessee
Alabama
Auburn
Vanderbilt
Kentucky
Georgia
Florida
West:
LSU
Arkansas
Mississippi State
Ole Miss
Texas A&M
South Carolina
Missouri
They've already shown Geography doesn't matter with Missouri.
Ship South Carolina out east and I could deal with the change.
Would be nice for TN to still play all their long term rivals (Aub, Bama, UF, UGA, Vandy and UK)
Posted on 10/17/16 at 12:12 pm to BHMKyle
You see, I KNEW that was the point of this thread. Stop begging for Auburn to move east, and start demanding that your school (along with Florida) stop sucking at football. That is the real issue.
Posted on 10/17/16 at 12:13 pm to Ericvol2096
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their long term rivals (Aub, Bama, UF, UGA, Vandy and UK)
Jesus. Whats with all these East teams and having 800 rivalries?
Posted on 10/17/16 at 12:14 pm to BamaGradinTn
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That's a total record of 89-35 for .718 pct.
Exactly. There seems to be a large contingent of fans who want to try to minimize this issue by saying its cyclical, or there is no imbalance, etc. But this is a major problem.
When one division has won 72% of the head-to-head matchups compared to the other one winning just 28%... over a period of EIGHT SEASONS... its a huge problem.
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One West team is 19-1 for a .950 pct.
Take them away and it's 70-34. Still pretty bad at .673.
Exactly. That is one of the other arguments for the naysayers. They say that its only because of Bama. Not true. The rest of the West is also completely dominating the East. This has nothing to do with Bama at the top. It's an issue far bigger than that.
Posted on 10/17/16 at 12:14 pm to LG2BAMA
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Vandy and Kentucky - go hire some high school football coach, get some kind of gimmick offense. option, spread, run and shoot. Pay some players, idk just do something other then being terrible constantly.
Been there, done that. And served a bitch of a probation for it.
Posted on 10/17/16 at 12:15 pm to CNB
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Jesus. Whats with all these East teams and having 800 rivalries?
Posted on 10/17/16 at 12:15 pm to BHMKyle
CNB says this is just because Bama is good.
Posted on 10/17/16 at 12:17 pm to frankenfish
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If the SEC weren't planning any more expansion they should split the SEC along actual nearer geographic lines:
East:
Florida
Georgia
Kentucky
South Carolina
Tennessee
Alabama
Auburn
West:
Arkansas
LSU
Mississippi State
Ole Miss
Texas A&M
Vandy
Missouri
This is actually one of the better hypothetical reorganizations of the SEC I've seen. You keep the traditional rivalries like TSIO and DSOR and make those divisional games and you keep the Iron Bowl as a divisional game. Since Auburn and Ole Miss both lose their cross-division rivalry opponent, they become an East-West matchup. You then make Alabama-LSU a cross-divisional matchup to keep that rivalry, and figure out the rest.
Posted on 10/17/16 at 12:17 pm to LSU Patrick
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CNB says this is just because Bama is good.
Because you idiots wait to brag about how great the West is until right after Bama beats Tennessee.
I've never said the East is better.
In fact, the only thing I've truly argued is that the East isn't the worst P5 division.
But please, keep my cock in your mouth.
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