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re: Key to a dominant sec team.

Posted on 9/18/12 at 10:27 pm to
Posted by bobbyray21
Member since Sep 2009
9490 posts
Posted on 9/18/12 at 10:27 pm to
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How is 3 future nfl pro bowler recievers and qb working out for you?


Nice attempt at deflection, but how about you address what I actually said instead. Or did ole bobbyray stump you?
Posted by dawgfan24348
Member since Oct 2011
49341 posts
Posted on 9/18/12 at 10:28 pm to
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but Georgia relys on Murray to much. The answer? Alabama, LSU, USCe.

No
Apparently you forgot we have Gurley and Marshall now
Posted by bobbyray21
Member since Sep 2009
9490 posts
Posted on 9/18/12 at 10:28 pm to
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How has having a gunslinger QB, great receivers and no running to speak of worked out for UT lately?


Wow, I hear an echo. See above post, dickface.

Stop jerking off to John Parker Wilson, and address argument.
Posted by boXerrumble
Member since Sep 2011
52283 posts
Posted on 9/18/12 at 10:28 pm to
Florida has Fred Taylor's son coming in next year
Posted by Gladius Veritas
Fayetteville, Arkansas
Member since May 2012
13189 posts
Posted on 9/18/12 at 10:29 pm to
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Nice attempt at deflection, but how about you address what I actually said instead


Are you disagreeing with the fact that a shitty run game will hurt Tennessee this year?
Posted by JordonfortheJ
Bavaria-Germany
Member since Mar 2012
14547 posts
Posted on 9/18/12 at 10:29 pm to
A coach that knows what he is doing.
Posted by dreaux
baton rouge
Member since Oct 2006
40881 posts
Posted on 9/18/12 at 10:30 pm to
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Apparently you forgot we have Gurley and Marshall now


You are correct. I am ignorant when it comes to georgia football. You're run D is A+ so you guys should definetly be on the list.

To Bobbray, I gave my rebuttal in a subsequent post.
Posted by bobbyray21
Member since Sep 2009
9490 posts
Posted on 9/18/12 at 10:30 pm to
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Big difference between the nfl and sec when it comes to throwing the ball. If you can't run, just about all college offenses will stall. The nfl has much better qb's and offenses. Running the ball is much easier to implement and implement well.


They also have better defenses.

Posted by bobbyray21
Member since Sep 2009
9490 posts
Posted on 9/18/12 at 10:31 pm to
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To Bobbray, I gave my rebuttal in a subsequent post.


I saw that. And thank you for a substantive response. I disagree with your argument, though, as you may have already seen by now.
Posted by dreaux
baton rouge
Member since Oct 2006
40881 posts
Posted on 9/18/12 at 10:33 pm to
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A coach that knows what he is doing.


Like build his team around running the ball, control the clock, limit turnovers and punish/ wear down the defense. And build a dline.
Posted by dreaux
baton rouge
Member since Oct 2006
40881 posts
Posted on 9/18/12 at 10:34 pm to
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They also have better defenses


Offense still has the advantage when executed
Posted by Dodd
Member since Oct 2003
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Posted on 9/18/12 at 10:37 pm to
What happens when your OP Team shits the bed against a team who has a good defense, good QB and not just a game manager?
Posted by boXerrumble
Member since Sep 2011
52283 posts
Posted on 9/18/12 at 10:39 pm to
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What happens when your OP Team shits the bed against a team who has a good defense, good QB and not just a game manager?


#inb421tonothing
Posted by vuvuzela
Oregon
Member since Jun 2010
14663 posts
Posted on 9/18/12 at 10:44 pm to
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Key to a dominant sec team.



It's very simple. The key is.....

NICK MOTHER frickING SABAN HAHAHAHAHA
Posted by bobbyray21
Member since Sep 2009
9490 posts
Posted on 9/18/12 at 10:44 pm to
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Are you disagreeing with the fact that a shitty run game will hurt Tennessee this year?


I'm actually not advancing my argument from the perspective of this year's Tennessee team, believe it or not.

I'm saying that there is no logical reason to believe that a pass-happy offense can't dominate the SEC. Simply looking to Bama, noting that they rely on the run, and then concluding that their type of offense is the only variety of offense that can succeed in the SEC is just dumber than shite.

If a balanced offense were inherently fundamental to success in the game of football, then why has the NFL for years been trending away from the run and towards the pass?
Posted by Crede15
Member since Jun 2009
17214 posts
Posted on 9/18/12 at 10:45 pm to
Auburn's run defense wasn't bad in 2010 outside of a few games. They held us and Oregon to under 100 yards, and I don't remember LSU running well against them. They were just gashed in the secondary.

And they obviously had a great running game.
Posted by bobbyray21
Member since Sep 2009
9490 posts
Posted on 9/18/12 at 10:46 pm to
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Offense still has the advantage when executed


Not if you're running the ball every play.

This was the very reason Bill Walsh designed the offense that he did.
Posted by AllBamaDoesIsWin
Member since Dec 2011
26725 posts
Posted on 9/18/12 at 10:50 pm to
I think the running game and the front 4/7 on the Defense is important, and yeah ya need an above average kicking game, but you also need above average coaching in most departments, and at least one stud in the secondary.
Posted by bobbyray21
Member since Sep 2009
9490 posts
Posted on 9/18/12 at 10:51 pm to
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Like build his team around running the ball, control the clock, limit turnovers and punish/ wear down the defense


From Bill Walsh himself:

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The Play-Pass is the one fundamentally sound football play that does everything possible to contradict the basic principles of defense. I truly believe it is the single best tool available to take advantage of a disciplined defense. By using the play-pass as an integral pant of your offense you are trying to take advantage of a defensive team that is very anxious very intense and very fired-up to play football. The play-pass is one of the best ways to cool all of that emotion and intensity down because the object of the play-pass is to get the defensive team to commit to a fake run and then throw behind them. Once you get the defensive team distracted and disoriented, they begin to think about options and, therefore, are susceptible to the running game.

In highly competitive football, it is very unlikely that you will be able to run the ball so effectively that you will not need to do anything else to move the football. There is no question that having the play-pass, as a part of your offensive arsenal, can allow you to get a key first down or big chunks of yardage.

I have seen many teams march the ball beautifully, but right around the 15-yard line, they are already warming up their placekicker, because right at that point defenses change, the field they can operate in changes, and suddenly their basic offense goes all to pieces.

My contention is that if we are on their 25, we’re going for the end zone. Failing at that, we will kick a field goal. In an evenly matched game, I don’t want to try to take the ball from their 25 to the goal line by trying to smash it through people, because three out of four times, you won’t make it. Unless you are superior. Of course, if you are vastly superior it makes very little difference how you do it.

Why? First, every defensive coach in the country is going to his blitzes about right there. The pass coverage, by and large, will be man-to-man coverage. We know that if they don’t blitz one down, they’re going to blitz the next down. Automatically. They’ll seldom blitz twice in a row but they’ll blitz every other down. If we go a series where there haven’t been blitzes on the first two downs, here comes the safety blitz on the third down. So we are looking, at that point, to get into the end zone.

By the style of our football, we’ll have somebody to get the ball to a little bit late-just as an outlet to get 4 or 5 yards, to try to keep it. But from the 25 to the 10, we’re going for the end zone.
Posted by AllBamaDoesIsWin
Member since Dec 2011
26725 posts
Posted on 9/18/12 at 10:52 pm to
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If a balanced offense were inherently fundamental to success in the game of football, then why has the NFL for years been trending away from the run and towards the pass?


Because that's what the NFL WANTS to happen. If talking heads went around screaming the idea of power running instead of passing more people would do it. The NFL is catered to whatever most talking heads want at that time.
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