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re: Key to a dominant sec team.
Posted on 9/18/12 at 11:08 pm to Rickdaddy4188
Posted on 9/18/12 at 11:08 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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He is on the iq level of BHam Dore.
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Posted on 9/18/12 at 11:09 pm to Gladius Veritas
Yeah. Him and BHam Dore are what most adults would call, special.
Posted on 9/18/12 at 11:13 pm to AllBamaDoesIsWin
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That's different. Oregon isn't a power run team, which is what you need. It's why Onterio isn't AU's main back. You can't compete against the SEC like that. You've gotta have a power run game. Running no huddle out of the gun just won't work, not anymore. You can't get to the edge against the SEC in most cases. You have to outphysical your opponent on the inside and set up PA and tire them out so you can try and get the edge against second teamers. The thing is, teams like Bama/LSU are so deep that they can send in their back ups, who have probably already rotated in a lot at that point in the game, and still secure the edge.
The 2011 LSU team was BEGGING for a competent QB in that BCSCG. Powering running wasn't doing much for them.
Also, 2007 Ohio State wasn't a pass happy team.
Also, the 2008 pass-happy Oklahoma team gave Florida the most competitive game they'd had all year (except for the game they lost). No shame in losing to that team by 10. That was one of the best college teams I've ever seen.
But you could disregard all of that and I still fundamentally disagree with everything you wrote. The thing that makes the SEC great is the great defensive lines that we have in the SEC. Now I trust that you would agree that the NFL has even better defensive lines than we have in the SEC. And the NFL has, again, been trending towards more pass-happy offenses for years. So it can't possibly be that a power-running offense is a pre-requisite for offensive success in the Southeastern Conference. The argument doesn't hold up.
Posted on 9/18/12 at 11:14 pm to Gladius Veritas
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No, it's really just the culture that surrounds football. It's steadily moved towards pass happy offenses.
Because it results in more wins.
If it resulted in more losses, no such evolution would have occurred.
Posted on 9/18/12 at 11:14 pm to bobbyray21
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Your sarcasm is super cute, but you were implying that the NFL was making strategic play-calling decisions on the basis of something other than the goal of winning football games. I'm simply pointing out that what you wrote is nonsense.
No he wasn't. Nfl teams pass because it is a passing league as they have the best QBS ON THE PLANET. In CFB only one or two , in a given draft year, will go on to start in the nfl as a rookie. The college teams that these qbs came from , probably did pass more , but that is such a small % of CFB qbs, that it makes power running games , on of the best way to win.
Posted on 9/18/12 at 11:15 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Don't even explain it to him. It's common knowledge that the NFL has tried to become more pass happy. You might not be familiar with this dude. He is on the iq level of BHam Dore.
Hahaha. Sure guy.
Posted on 9/18/12 at 11:15 pm to bobbyray21
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Because Vandy was in your offensive backfield on almost every play. What do think Sam Montg and Mingo will do?
Dunno that remains to be seen yet a lot can go wrong or right in 4 games. I guess we will find out then.
Posted on 9/18/12 at 11:17 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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No he wasn't. Nfl teams pass because it is a passing league as they have the best QBS ON THE PLANET. In CFB only one or two , in a given draft year, will go on to start in the nfl as a rookie. The college teams that these qbs came from , probably did pass more , but that is such a small % of CFB qbs, that it makes power running games , on of the best way to win.
I agree that it is tough for colleges to land an elite QB.
But it's even tougher for colleges to land an elite offensive line. It's actually five times tougher.
Posted on 9/18/12 at 11:17 pm to bobbyray21
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can't possibly be that a power-running offense is a pre-requisite for offensive success in the Southeastern Conference. The argument doesn't hold up.
Wow you're dumb.
2011 LSU won with a running game
2010 Auburn won with Cam and run game
2009 Bama won with running game
2008 Florida won with a running qb
2007 LSU won with a running game
2006 Florida won with leak and Tebow
2005 UGA won with a running qb
2004 auburn won with caddy and r brown
You sir, are ignorant
Posted on 9/18/12 at 11:19 pm to CarolinaCock
Btw just my opinion but the nfl is not a passing league that's the way they made it. Even now if you look at the teams that have qb's throwing for 4k the teams that are actually winning are doing it because they have a dominant backfield with a defense and special teams. You can't beat anybody just throwing in the nfl that's a myth.
Posted on 9/18/12 at 11:22 pm to bobbyray21
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But it's even tougher for colleges to land an elite offensive line. It's actually five times tougher.
Wow you re stupid.
You have far more chances to land a top Olineman. A college team doesn't recruit 20 qbs. You miss on a qb recruit and your screwed. If you think it's harder to get a good Olineman than it is to get a good qb , I'm done talking to you.
Hell you can turn a dlineman into an Olineman. Try turning a wr into a qb for an entire season.
LSU and Bama have probably 15 elite Olineman between the two and neither team has an ELITE qb. Both qb are good but not elite.
This post was edited on 9/18/12 at 11:23 pm
Posted on 9/18/12 at 11:23 pm to bobbyray21
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The 2011 LSU team was BEGGING for a competent QB in that BCSCG. Powering running wasn't doing much for them.
No team in College Football history was going to beat that Bama team on THAT night. They were too determined. LSU was in a mess no matter which QB they played.
JJ - He's fricking JJ
Lee - Always sucks arse against Bama
Mett - First meaningful snaps against one of the GoaT Defenses playing their hardest in the National title Game when your OL is making some mental errors. He wouldn't have done much better.
You need a competent QB, but don't act like power running is ineffective because they couldn't do it against the likes of Jesse Williams, Josh Chapman, Dont'a Hightower, Courtney Upshaw, and Mark Barron.
Posted on 9/18/12 at 11:25 pm to AllBamaDoesIsWin
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You need a competent QB, but don't act like power running is ineffective because they couldn't do it against the likes of Jesse Williams, Josh Chapman, Dont'a Hightower, Courtney Upshaw, and Mark Barron.
He doesn't know what he is talking about. There have been passing teams to win the sec ( manning teams, spurrier's UF ) both those are the exceptions, not the rule.
Posted on 9/18/12 at 11:27 pm to AllBamaDoesIsWin
He just said it was harder to get an elite Olineman than it was to get an elite qb.
How many elite Olineman does Bama have? Atleast 4 and that is just starters.
While AJ is really good , he isn't elite( Andrew luck)
How many elite Olineman does Bama have? Atleast 4 and that is just starters.
While AJ is really good , he isn't elite( Andrew luck)
Posted on 9/18/12 at 11:40 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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How many elite Olineman does Bama have? Atleast 4 and that is just starters.
Right now, Jones, Fluker, Warmack, and Cyrus K. Steen is really good, though not in the level of the elite yet. Austin Sheperd, Arie K, and Alphonse Taylor all are really good too, though we haven't seen enough of them to know for sure.
Posted on 9/18/12 at 11:47 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Wow you're dumb.
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2011 LSU...
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2008 Florida...
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"2006 Florida won with leak and Tebow"
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You sir, are ignorant
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I'm sorry for making a better argument than you. I hope I haven't hurt your feelings.
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They won with defense.
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They won with Percy Harvin.
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I don't think that one helped your argument buddy. Chris Leak was a pocket passer. Their running back was Deshaun Wynn, who was neither worth his weight in dog shite nor slim.
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Again, sorry I'm crushing you in this thread. I'm making an actual logical argument that is sensical and easy to follow and you are pointing back to past teams as definitive evidence of something.
Let me be quite candid: it is only definitive evidence that you are an intellectual lightweight who struggles to formulate thoughts. It is definitive evidence of nothing else.
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What in the hell does 2005 UGA have to do with anything? That team was an embarrassment to the conference.
Since you were listing SECCG winners, how about we go back a little bit? Okie dokie?
1993 Florida: pass happy
1994 Florida: pass happy
1995 Florida: pass happy
1996 Florida: pass happy
1997 Tennessee: pass happy
1998 Tennessee: threw more than they ran (cutcliffe was the OC), but mostly their defense bailed them out.
1999 Bama: I must have been busy this year. I didn't have any idea Bama won the SEC.
2000 Florida: pass happy.
If you reply with some nonsense about the SEC fundamentally changing between the late 90s and now, just know that I'm already laughing at how dumb you are.
This post was edited on 9/18/12 at 11:49 pm
Posted on 9/18/12 at 11:48 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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He doesn't know what he is talking about. There have been passing teams to win the sec ( manning teams, spurrier's UF ) both those are the exceptions, not the rule.
You don't know what "exception" means.
Posted on 9/18/12 at 11:54 pm to AllBamaDoesIsWin
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No team in College Football history was going to beat that Bama team on THAT night. They were too determined. LSU was in a mess no matter which QB they played.
LSU was in a mess because one QB couldn't run on you and the other QB couldn't pass on you.
Listen, your all's D was fricking nasty last year. It was tough to run on you; it was tough to pass on you. You shut down Arkansas just like you shut down LSU. There were no great options against that D. And so 2011 Bama doesn't prove anything one way or the other about the desirability/viability of a run-first offense vis a vis a pass-first offense.
Posted on 9/18/12 at 11:56 pm to bobbyray21
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Not if you're running the ball every play.
No shite. It's called balance duh. I just see fewer team that run the ball well then pass the ball well. Or more team rely on the pass more so it seems. You can't be one dimensional either way.
Posted on 9/19/12 at 12:07 am to dreaux
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No shite. It's called balance duh. I just see fewer team that run the ball well then pass the ball well. Or more team rely on the pass more so it seems. You can't be one dimensional either way
Did you read the Bill Walsh quote?
His basic point was that to win consistently with a power running approach you HAVE to have bigger, stronger players than the teams you are playing against.
He wanted to win every year even if he didn't have the biggest strongest team.
He was not a dumb man.
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