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re: Is Fournette being overused?
Posted on 5/12/16 at 9:00 pm to thunderbird1100
Posted on 5/12/16 at 9:00 pm to thunderbird1100
What do I think is worse? Well putting myself in the position of a GM selecting a RB in a draft, I would pick a player with less overall carries throughout their career as long as talent is close. You totally avoided the meat of my post.
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Posted on 5/12/16 at 9:02 pm to Patton
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What do I think is worse? Well putting myself in the position of a GM selecting a RB in a draft, I would pick a player with less overall carries throughout their career as long as talent is close.
Again, if you spread carries out, it's not nearly as impactful. Damage to the body is the highest when tired guys are playing, that's when it's dangerous. Miles doesnt run Fournette into the ground in that aspect.
In no way would someone think a guy with 600 carries over 30 games (with a game high of 32, and only over 30 twice ever) is worse than a guy with 400 carries over 15 games (with game highs of 46, 44 and handful of total games over 30).
This post was edited on 5/12/16 at 9:04 pm
Posted on 5/12/16 at 9:02 pm to texag7
Leonard Fournette has played in every game of his college career, unlike most of the RBs on your list. He's averaging less than 20 carries a game in his career. I don't see how anyone could think he's being overused. How many carries a game would be appropriate over the course of a college career? 10? 15?
Posted on 5/12/16 at 9:03 pm to bmy
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A similar year to 2015 minus a rain out easily cements him as the greatest SEC RB of all time
Uhh, no. He'll have to bring home a heisman to be in the conversation IMO
Posted on 5/12/16 at 9:04 pm to thunderbird1100
Great I get your point. The risk of injury is highest after high volume use. I never argued that. I replied to you I initially because your post made it seem as though you believe high volume short use is more impactful on a career than high volume throughout. I disagree.
Posted on 5/12/16 at 9:05 pm to Patton
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Great I get your point. The risk of injury is highest after high volume use. I never argued that. I replied to you I initially because your post made it seem as though you believe high volume short use is more impactful on a career than high volume throughout. I disagree.
So you think a guy with 600 carries over 30 games is worse than a guy with 400 over the last 15 games (with MUCH higher game highs)?
This post was edited on 5/12/16 at 9:06 pm
Posted on 5/12/16 at 9:06 pm to thunderbird1100
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In no way would someone think a guy with 600 carries over 30 games (with a game high of 32, and only over 30 twice ever) is worse than a guy with 400 carries over 15 games (with game highs of 46, 44 and handful of total games over 30).
It's not about better or worse. Just the fact that the guy who carries it 600 times got tackled 200 more times than the guy who carried it 400. You don't think those hits add up over a while?
Posted on 5/12/16 at 9:09 pm to Patton
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It's not about better or worse. Just the fact that the guy who carries it 600 times got tackled 200 more times than the guy who carried it 400. You don't think those hits add up over a while?
Not when you have proper rest, think of this like using pitchers in baseball. You can really damage yourself if you start throwing 120, 130, 140 pitches in a single game. If you keep that down, your chance of injury goes way down and severely damaging your body. You get your proper rest and are good to go for another 100 or so the next game.
A guy carrying it about 20-25 times a game a career high of 32 isn't exactly near as high risk as a guy who may have a similar average but is at times going for 44 or 46 carries.
This post was edited on 5/12/16 at 9:10 pm
Posted on 5/12/16 at 9:10 pm to Patton
Patton,
There is nothing you can say to win this argument with these L5u fans , they'll defend LF no matter what. Facts be dammed. They'll spin
There is nothing you can say to win this argument with these L5u fans , they'll defend LF no matter what. Facts be dammed. They'll spin
Posted on 5/12/16 at 9:14 pm to texag7
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texag7
Good news for you he will get less carries in 2016.
Bad news is Guice will be running over your DBs this year as a result.
Posted on 5/12/16 at 9:14 pm to thunderbird1100
That's a decent analogy.
If you have two free agent starting pitchers on the market with similar talent. One pitcher has thrown 600 career innings but has never thrown more than 100 pitches in a game. The other has 400 career innings with a couple of starts with over 120 pitches. You would place your faith in the pitcher with higher number of innings because at certain times in his past he never really through a lot?
If you have two free agent starting pitchers on the market with similar talent. One pitcher has thrown 600 career innings but has never thrown more than 100 pitches in a game. The other has 400 career innings with a couple of starts with over 120 pitches. You would place your faith in the pitcher with higher number of innings because at certain times in his past he never really through a lot?
Posted on 5/12/16 at 9:15 pm to texag7
Like I said in the other thread, he should take the year off. It won't hurt his draft status. It may actually help. I know this isn't popular and it'll piss off people, but it would be the best thing for his career.
Posted on 5/12/16 at 9:16 pm to Farmer1906
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Like I said in the other thread, he should take the year off. It won't hurt his draft status. It may actually help. I know this isn't popular and it'll piss off people, but it would be the best thing for his career.
Myles Garrett has been saving himself through SEC games for 2 years running now
Posted on 5/12/16 at 9:19 pm to Patton
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If you have two free agent starting pitchers on the market with similar talent. One pitcher has thrown 600 career innings but has never thrown more than 100 pitches in a game. The other has 400 career innings with a couple of starts with over 120 pitches. You would place your faith in the pitcher with higher number of innings because at certain times in his past he never really through a lot?
I wouldnt quite equate an inning pitched to 1 carry.
This is actually something mlb scouts have to think about though when looking at college pitchers. Some college coaches can be quite assholes and throw 18-21 year old kids out there for 120, 130, 140 pitches, and do it multiple times a season for selfish reasons.
Posted on 5/12/16 at 9:21 pm to thunderbird1100
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Myles Garrett has been saving himself through SEC games for 2 years running now
It would be funnier if it were true.
Posted on 5/12/16 at 9:23 pm to Farmer1906
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It would be funnier if it were true.
24 sacks
9 in 16 SEC games
15 in 10 OOC games
Facts are a funny thing
This post was edited on 5/12/16 at 9:24 pm
Posted on 5/12/16 at 9:23 pm to thunderbird1100
Ok just using the analogy you brought into this. From the start all I've been trying to say is higher total carries has a greater impact on a career than a couple of outlier games with high number of carries.
Posted on 5/12/16 at 9:24 pm to Patton
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Ok just using the analogy you brought into this. From the start all I've been trying to say is higher total carries has a greater impact on a career than a couple of outlier games with high number of carries.
It's not really an outlier when it makes up over 25% of your games in your last season.
Posted on 5/12/16 at 9:26 pm to thunderbird1100
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Facts are a funny thing
So is having more conference forced fumbles on ball carriers than your entire starting DL combined.
Facts are a funny thing :)
Posted on 5/12/16 at 9:26 pm to texag7
9 sacks in 16 SEC games, are we supposed to be impressed?
Barnett has nearly twice as many
Barnett has nearly twice as many
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