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Posted on 8/13/16 at 10:06 am to BowlJackson
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Getting owned by Auburn like they do when they don't have one of the top 2 CFB coaches ever.
Posted on 8/13/16 at 10:08 am to SummerOfGeorge
Dabs' personality is a case study - one of the strangest personalities for a D-1 head coach. If Bama hired Dabs it will be glorious to watch his meltdowns when he feels pressure from fans. He is not motivated by money, he is motivated by affirmation and when it is removed and replaced by negativity the dude gets odd.
Case in point -
After being utterly prison raped by FSU at home in 2013 he said after the game if they played 10 times that "We would probably win 5 out of 10".
And Bama fans would quickly tire of Dabs' "positive life quotes" after losses, such as "We're gonna turn stumbling blocks into stepping stones". Or, "It's only unthinkable if you don't think it".
He is almost 180 degrees from Saban.
Case in point -
After being utterly prison raped by FSU at home in 2013 he said after the game if they played 10 times that "We would probably win 5 out of 10".
And Bama fans would quickly tire of Dabs' "positive life quotes" after losses, such as "We're gonna turn stumbling blocks into stepping stones". Or, "It's only unthinkable if you don't think it".
He is almost 180 degrees from Saban.
Posted on 8/13/16 at 10:10 am to Bootycall
Depends on if they NCAA shows up. If not about anyone can win with that many 5*s.
Posted on 8/13/16 at 10:35 am to BammerDelendaEst
quote:Perkins realized that he didn't have the temperament/personality to coach college football, and Curry basically got run out of town...unless you call going to Kentucky, getting a better job.
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No coach would voluntarily leave a great program like Alabama sans Francione escaping sanctions.
Ray Perkins left Alabama.
Bill Curry left Alabama.
Posted on 8/13/16 at 10:35 am to Bootycall
They don't want to think about it.
Posted on 8/13/16 at 11:49 am to Bootycall
I doubt they would fall far at all. The only thing that could knock them down now would be sanctions.
With Saban out of the picture they might not dominate every year but they should still be in the hunt.
With Saban out of the picture they might not dominate every year but they should still be in the hunt.
Posted on 8/13/16 at 12:01 pm to bayourougebengal
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Fail
LSU Saban wasn't half the coach Bama Saban is. LSU is in far better shape now than then.
He was the same guy, only a couple years older. He just had a bigger name and went to a historically better program. He left am insane amount of talent on that roster, and brought LSU instate pride to an all-time high level.
And if you think LSU is in better shape now than in 07, then you're dumber than everyone thinks you are.
Posted on 8/13/16 at 2:00 pm to elposter
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The floor for Alabama post-Saban would be LSU post-Saban since Alabama is a better football program than LSU
Nick Saban is a better coach than Miles. When your next guy isn't the best recruiter in NCAA history (#1 class at LSU also) you will just be another guy on the block.
Tuscaloosa isn't a special place, and it's not surrounded by special talent. You spend top dollar on coaches and you keep them, that's about it. You are lucky as hell Rich Rodriguez turned you down for a better opportunity. Ironically Les supposedly "turned down" that same opportunity to stay at LSU. Michigan is his alma mater too.
By the way your two highest rated players by NFL scouts are both from Louisiana. Not only is Saban the best recruiter by far, but he coached at LSU establishing relationships with Louisiana High School staffs (hardest state pull talent away from). Y'all are in for a rude awakening soon.
This post was edited on 8/13/16 at 2:28 pm
Posted on 8/13/16 at 2:38 pm to Lsuchs
quote:"The jealous are troublesome to others, but a torment to themselves" - William Penn
Tuscaloosa isn't a special place, and it's not surrounded by special talent. You spend top dollar on coaches and you keep them, that's about it. You are lucky as hell Rich Rodriguez turned you down for a better opportunity. Ironically Les supposedly "turned down" that same opportunity to stay at LSU.
Posted on 8/13/16 at 2:50 pm to Bootycall
considering y'all didn't have a football program before Saban, you should show some appreciation and respect for him.
Posted on 8/13/16 at 2:56 pm to bamaqna
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"The jealous are troublesome to others, but a torment to themselves" - William Penn
"Pride comes before the fall"
Y'all are to the point where you actually think it has something to do with you. It's funny to me
Y'all are the top program at the moment, and that is 100% Nick Saban. I respect Nick Saban and appreciate what he did for us. You should do the same rather than assume you will continue to be above schools with more natural advantages. It's not the 60s, 70s, and 80s anymore.
Good luck to you, I really will feel bad if y'all don't happen to hire an all time legend twice in a row
We could easily screw up the next hire and y'all could make a good one though, only time will tell. All I can tell you it will be a lot harder for you to find another Saban than for us to find another Miles caliber head man. I don't think you'll like what you see when we hire equally at the coaching position.
Honest question: If Saban was at LSU and Miles was at Bama how talented do you think his Bama roster would be this year? What would his record be against Saban?
This post was edited on 8/13/16 at 4:31 pm
Posted on 8/13/16 at 3:11 pm to Lsuchs
quote:Yeaa you're right Im sure the schools resources and the players there before Saban had nothing to do with Saban being as successful as he is
Y'all are to the point where you actually think it has something to do with you. It's funny to me
quote:So those schools couldn't do anything with those natural advantages the last 40 years, so you think they will finally be able to jump that hurdle in the next 40 years
You should do the same rather than assume you will continue to be above schools with more natural advantages. It's not the 60s, 70s, and 80s anymore.
. You can keep on telling yourself this bud but we had great coaches throughout our whole history and even the less spectacular ones even won 10 games. So you're right its the end for Alabama football as we know it if we don't get another elite coach quote:That sounds awfully genuine
Good luck to you, I really will feel bad if y'all don't happen to hire an all time legend twice in a row
This post was edited on 8/13/16 at 3:14 pm
Posted on 8/13/16 at 3:33 pm to Lsuchs
quote:Hell I doubt any school can find a coach in Sabans level who thought he would be as good as he is now when he left the NFL but we don't need a Saban caliber coach to be successful. Alabama is also a state with great talent, the college has top level training facilities and resources and we won the conference before with less than great coaches before.
All I can tell you it will be a lot harder for you to fine another Saban than for us to find another Miles caliber head man.
quote:Talent wise probably on the same level, last time I checked LSU had a top 5 recruiting class last year and from what I hear from LSU posters on here, they are just as talented as Bama. What would his record be, I don't know but I know the school wouldn't tolerate Les failing to live up to expectations the way LSU does thats for damn sure.
Honest question: If Saban was at LSU and Miles was at Bama how talented do you think his Bama roster would be this year? What would his record be against Saban?
Posted on 8/13/16 at 3:35 pm to bamaqna
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Yeaa you're right Im sure the schools resources and the players there before Saban had nothing to do with Saban being as successful as he i
Saban would have multiple NCs at every power 5 blue blood don't kid yourself. With no reputation and LSU in the dumps he signed the #1 class his second year, won the SEC his second year (took 3 at Bama), and won an NC in his fourth year (took 3 at Bama).
If he had a choice when leaving Miami he probably returns to LSU or chooses UGA. why fight bringing the players to you when you can go to the players, not to mention neither state has another competitive program in the state (GT isn't a recruiting threat to UGA).
Saban at UGA would be ridiculous
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So you're right its the end for Alabama football as we know it if we don't get another elite coach
No, I just said another guy on the block.
Y'all will still get 10 wins often, similar to LSU, thats all you are though. Y'all will get a good coach for sure, y'all care and will spend the money. We'll see if he is elite much less a legend (you did try to hire RR).
When you have equal coaching to the other big 6 you'll see you have no advantage was my point. I was responding to your floor being current LSU. You aren't in a better city, you arent surrounded by better talent, and you don't provide a better atmosphere than some others in the big 6. Why do you think Tennessee in a rough spot right now?
Tennessee should be elite right now right? They were right behind Bama historically up until the last decade. Why weren't LSU, UF, and UGA not using their natural advantages against them for 40+ years... They must not exist right?
The main difference between Alabama and Tennessee is the year Nick Saban decided to leave Miami.
This post was edited on 8/13/16 at 3:53 pm
Posted on 8/13/16 at 3:47 pm to bamaqna
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LSU had a top 5 recruiting class last year and from what I hear from LSU posters on here,
You honestly think Les is signing top 5 classes year after year at Bama while Saban is at LSU. First off he would be splitting less talent with Auburn in Alabama than he has all to himself in Louisiana. Not to mention Saban would be cherry picking Al like he does La right now.
when we have equal caliber head men soon watch out. Same goes for UGA and some others.
This post was edited on 8/13/16 at 3:54 pm
Posted on 8/13/16 at 4:01 pm to Lsuchs
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Saban would have multiple NCs at every power 5 blue blood don't kid yourself. With no reputation and LSU in the dumps he signed the #1 class his second year, won the SEC his second year (took 3 at Bama), and won an NC in his fourth year (took 3 at Bama).
The SEC, and particularly the SEC West, was a little more competitive later in the decade than it was during Saban's time at LSU.
Posted on 8/13/16 at 4:11 pm to Sid E Walker
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The SEC, and particularly the SEC West, was a little more competitive later in the decade than it was during Saban's time at LSU
While true about the west the east was better then and he still ran through their best. UT, UGA, and UF were all elite then and he had to beat them to win the SEC.
-He beat a national championship game bound UT for his first SEC title in his second season.
-He played UF and a great UGA team twice to win his second SEC title and first NC in his fourth season. A UGA team that likely plays for the NC if not for LSU.
And how does this change the fact that he would be winning NCs at other top programs? Any of the SEC big 6, or other power 5 blue bloods. LSU was coming off of a 3-8 season when he took over and he did reach the top just as quick as at Bama
This post was edited on 8/13/16 at 4:53 pm
Posted on 8/13/16 at 5:02 pm to Bootycall
Not to far with Lane there to step in
Posted on 8/13/16 at 5:09 pm to Lsuchs
quote:The coaching field was always equal, Nick Saban only been here for 10 years man, now if the other schools don't know how to perform or maintain a level of success that is not always the coaches fault that is up to the schools athletic dept to get the right person there.
When you have equal coaching to the other big 6 you'll see you have no advantage was my point.
quote:I dont see what you are getting at here as Tennessee is projected to win the East and has elite talent on their roster now. Like I said dude, Louisiana, Florida, and Georgia always had an advantage in talent and resources and that did not do anything for them in the past however that doesn't mean that it wasn't there though it just means that your AD didnt put the right staff to utilize all those resources. I agree with some of the things you say man but to be honest it seems like you are making excuses on the shortcomings of other programs. Bama has to work under the same rules and guidelines as every school in the SEC and we have been successful while others have been less successful all the while working with more advantages in talent and scenery than we were. In the end, make no mistake before Saban and after Saban Bama always was the premier program in the SEC because we established a history of winning Championships and we didnt accomplish this from strictly having hall of fame coaches year in and year out.
Tennessee should be elite right now right? They were right behind Bama historically up until the last decade. Why weren't LSU, UF, and UGA not using their natural advantages against them for 40+ years... They must not exist right?
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