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re: Help Me Hate Chavis LSU/Tenn Fans
Posted on 1/5/15 at 10:45 am to Supravol22
Posted on 1/5/15 at 10:45 am to Supravol22
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You will also learn that he doesn't do well when working with a down talent pool.
Well that sucks.
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I hated when UT lost him, and as you can see we still haven't fully recovered from that little experiment.
I will admit the thing that excites me the most about him is how we was at Tenn during the last time yall were good, at was at LSU doing some of their all time greatest years.
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Posted on 1/5/15 at 10:45 am to cardboardboxer
Will stop the run with numbers. Will stop the pass with speed.
DE's out of HS will be bulked up to play Tackle. LB's will be bulked up to play DE. Safeties will be bulked up to play LB. Corner's will be bulked up to play Safety. He will need elite CB's.
At the end of the day, since 2010, Chavis had Drake Nevis, Mike Brockers, Bennie Logan, Ron Brooks, Tyrann Mathieu, Morris Claiborne, Patrick Peterson, KeKe Mingo, Sam Montgomery, Ken Adams, Kevin Minter, Perry Riley, Kelvin Sheppard, Eric Reid and Brandon Taylor and that's just off the top of my head.
These are All-American, Bednarik/Thorpe Award Winners and Heisman Trophy Finalists that are currently on NFL rosters as of today.
He's got a simplistic scheme that allows athletes to flourish and execute. If he trusts them, he'll roll the safeties up and blitz frequently. His system became effective with the caliber of athletes LSU recruiting provided to him.
On top of that, LSU routinely led FBS/D1 in TOP stat, which means his Defenses didn't have to get out there a whole heckuva lot. By design, he doesn't give up the big play. Scoring on him requires consistent execution on long drives. He's not going to give up the 70 yard TD bomb hardly ever.
The question for me is: How does he deal with the loss of the TOP advantage, and how does he deal with the significant downgrade in talent from a recruiting perspective? Those are huge issues.
DE's out of HS will be bulked up to play Tackle. LB's will be bulked up to play DE. Safeties will be bulked up to play LB. Corner's will be bulked up to play Safety. He will need elite CB's.
At the end of the day, since 2010, Chavis had Drake Nevis, Mike Brockers, Bennie Logan, Ron Brooks, Tyrann Mathieu, Morris Claiborne, Patrick Peterson, KeKe Mingo, Sam Montgomery, Ken Adams, Kevin Minter, Perry Riley, Kelvin Sheppard, Eric Reid and Brandon Taylor and that's just off the top of my head.
These are All-American, Bednarik/Thorpe Award Winners and Heisman Trophy Finalists that are currently on NFL rosters as of today.
He's got a simplistic scheme that allows athletes to flourish and execute. If he trusts them, he'll roll the safeties up and blitz frequently. His system became effective with the caliber of athletes LSU recruiting provided to him.
On top of that, LSU routinely led FBS/D1 in TOP stat, which means his Defenses didn't have to get out there a whole heckuva lot. By design, he doesn't give up the big play. Scoring on him requires consistent execution on long drives. He's not going to give up the 70 yard TD bomb hardly ever.
The question for me is: How does he deal with the loss of the TOP advantage, and how does he deal with the significant downgrade in talent from a recruiting perspective? Those are huge issues.
This post was edited on 1/5/15 at 10:47 am
Posted on 1/5/15 at 10:47 am to TheCaterpillar
A. I thought tDecline was the official tongue-in-cheek way to refer to this season for LSU. I apologize if I offended you.
B. That sucks because we have neither of those as you note. Of well, maybe Chavis can be a recruiting chip for Sumlin to use at least.
B. That sucks because we have neither of those as you note. Of well, maybe Chavis can be a recruiting chip for Sumlin to use at least.
This post was edited on 1/5/15 at 10:48 am
Posted on 1/5/15 at 10:50 am to TigerGman
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He won most games with overwhelming NFL caliber talent. And even at that he choked big game after big game. Sure a better offense would have made a difference, but so would any semblance of a two minute drill defense too.
With lack luster talent this year his defense got totally skull drug in several games--early and often. Can't blame that on lack of offense.
Many LSU fans are apoplectic to see him go--just shows you there are deluded fans everywhere.
Me? I'm happy to see him go. No doubt in my mind he cost us the National Championship in 2012 when blew the Bama game, and at least an SEC appearance when he blew it all over again this year.
Hey before yall accuse me of putting things in the mouth of LSU fans, look at this guy.
TigerGman, yall lost the national championship when your offense couldn't cross the 50.
Posted on 1/5/15 at 10:50 am to cardboardboxer
Basically, compared to how bad your defenses have been and the recruiting pool at A&M, Chavis will do better than what you have had.
Give him a few years and more talent and he will have a very good defense in place.
Give him a few years and more talent and he will have a very good defense in place.
Posted on 1/5/15 at 10:51 am to GFunk
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significant downgrade in talent from a recruiting perspective
How so? I get our roster is less talented, but we can recruit with anyone not named Bama.
Posted on 1/5/15 at 10:52 am to Supravol22
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Basically, compared to how bad your defenses have been and the recruiting pool at A&M, Chavis will do better than what you have had.
That is what I expect, but it seems there are like 20 guys who can do better than what we have.
We are paying Chavis top 3 money. I don't expect a top 3 defense, but if we only move up to the 100th worth defense instead of the 112th or whatever I will be pissed.
Posted on 1/5/15 at 10:54 am to cardboardboxer
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Hey before yall accuse me of putting things in the mouth of LSU fans, look at this guy.
TigerGman, yall lost the national championship when your offense couldn't cross the 50.
He's talking about the next year. Bama beat us at home because of our failure in the 2 minute drill and that team quit after that game.
Posted on 1/5/15 at 10:54 am to cardboardboxer
I predict you see a pretty decent jump next year. Keep recruiting well and you'll see an even bigger one.
Chavis thrives on good talent, but he's not bad without it either. LSU fans only dislike him cause they think he lost them games, but in reality it was their lack of offense. They won't admit it, but it's the truth.
Chavis thrives on good talent, but he's not bad without it either. LSU fans only dislike him cause they think he lost them games, but in reality it was their lack of offense. They won't admit it, but it's the truth.
Posted on 1/5/15 at 10:58 am to Supravol22
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LSU fans only dislike him cause they think he lost them games, but in reality it was their lack of offense. They won't admit it, but it's the truth.
Our offense was great in 2013 and we lost 3 games.
I know we haven't been good on offense most years, but they aren't on the field during those 10 2 minute drills we've lost to.
They are both at fault.
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He's great until he gets into prevent on long downs or late with a lead.
This post was edited on 1/5/15 at 11:00 am
Posted on 1/5/15 at 11:01 am to Supravol22
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Chavis thrives on good talent, but he's not bad without it either.
The question is how he does without a TOP advantage.
What was yalls TOP like at Tenn back in the day?
Posted on 1/5/15 at 11:01 am to cardboardboxer
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With that said, even if Chavis isn't the reason for tDecline there is enough complaints I feel just by the odds some have to be valid. Hence the thread.
With this ridiculous statement I'm surprised your getting straight answers.
Posted on 1/5/15 at 11:04 am to TheCaterpillar
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He's talking about the next year. Bama beat us at home because of our failure in the 2 minute drill and that team quit after that game.
Ah ok.
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They are both at fault.
Could be, I don't know what is the deal for LSU. Yall have been the better team the last few years, that is all I know.
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He's great until he gets into prevent on long downs or late with a lead.
So basically if we play it close and try to win a defensive struggle of a game he will lose it for us? I can accept that.
What I wonder more is how he handles the track meet games where it seems like the last team to get the ball will win.
Posted on 1/5/15 at 11:06 am to cardboardboxer
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LSU offense is the worst one on the SEC
In 2013 we had an awesome offense but our defense was garbage.
Posted on 1/5/15 at 11:07 am to RogerTheShrubber
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With this ridiculous statement I'm surprised your getting straight answers.
Again, I thought tDecline was the generally accepted nomenclature for the previous LSU season that was below fan expectations as I have seen more than a few LSU fans refer to it that way. If it is like the N word where only LSU fans can use that phrase without offending I apologize.
Posted on 1/5/15 at 11:08 am to cardboardboxer
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What I wonder more is how he handles the track meet games where it seems like the last team to get the ball will win.
Not sure he's ever coached in one on A&M's speed. We have had very few shootouts in the last 5 years. UGA last year in which we lost in the last 2 minutes might be one of the very few.
He's always had the luxury of an offense that has great TOP at LSU. Tennessee was hardly a high speed offense either under Fulmer.
Posted on 1/5/15 at 11:08 am to TheWhizzinator
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In 2013 we had an awesome offense but our defense was garbage.
#9 in the country at the end of the year, but it let us down in a couple games badly.
Posted on 1/5/15 at 11:10 am to TheCaterpillar
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Not sure he's ever coached in one on A&M's speed
WVU a few years ago. Geno had over 400 yds passing
Posted on 1/5/15 at 11:10 am to cardboardboxer
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Again, I thought tDecline was the generally accepted nomenclature for the previous LSU season that was below fan expectations as I have seen more than a few LSU fans refer to it that way. If it is like the N word where only LSU fans can use that phrase without offending I apologize.
If LSU fans say it, its sarcastically. Its also older than 1 year. People have said it for years on here. It doesn't anger anyone, but if you want to have a serious conversation, its a bad way to start.
Posted on 1/5/15 at 11:11 am to cardboardboxer
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Again, I thought tDecline was the generally accepted nomenclature for the previous LSU season
Among Alabama fans, yes. One year isn't a decline. We'll see what happens this year.
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