re: Help Me Hate Chavis LSU/Tenn Fans

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Give it a rest you twat.

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What is statute of limitations for talking about Chavis on here then?

One week?

Two weeks?

A month?

I don't want to wait that long.

This thread is a free shot, an olive branch. There can't be any easier way to rebuild the conversation bridge than by giving yall a chance to bash a guy who you want to bash.

I have even admitted that we are known for overpaying, so I am happy to take the criticism. Time to dust yourselves off and start playing Rant again.

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This is true, but Chavis' philosophy was the same.

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Fair enough, I changed the OP.

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You can't understand why giving up the lead in the last 2 minutes thanks to a completely inept 2 minute defensive scheme would bother LSU fans?

Alabama marched down the field in 50 seconds with ease.

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As I said, I think I get it. Yall are mad Bama's drive took a whole 50 seconds, because if it would have been like a 20 second touchdown drive yall would have won by scoring on the following drive. Right?

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As I said, I think I get it. Yall are mad Bama's drive took a whole 50 seconds, because if it would have been like a 20 second touchdown drive yall would have won by scoring on the following drive. Right?

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No, it's because Chavis is incapable of stopping an offense in crunch time. Look I have no problem with the man, he is a great DC. But to say you can't see why we would have an issue with this is really stupid. The fact is as good as LSU defense was under Chavis, we just couldn't stop game winning drives. It was a major issue with Chavis.

He's good at what he does. If you have the talent, he'll make you're defense a top 20 squad. His only downside is the late game meltdown

Y'all upgraded big time at DC. He wasn't perfect so many LSU fans are going to focus on his shortcomings as a way to ease the anger regarding him leaving. You should spend less time arguing with idiots.

He is a great DC, but he relies heavily on great athletes all over his defense and an offense that averages very solid time of possession. He is not an active recruiter at all, but when he really wants a certain player he puts forth the effort and gets what he wants. Those instances are few and far between though.

55 minutes of every game he seems to be brilliant, but in the last 5 minutes he switches to a “bend but don’t break” philosophy that has bitten us in the arse countless times.

People saying he was bad on third down are confused, he’s just bad with 5 minutes left on 3rd down. We were actually near the top of the conference in 3rd down conversions on defense.

I wish he had stayed at LSU, but him leaving is not going to tear our program down. We had great defenses before him and will have great defenses after him.

I don’t think he’ll be nearly as good for TAMU as he was for LSU for 3 main reasons: They have TERRIBLE T.O.P. on offense, he is getting up there in age, and they don’t have the players yet on defense and I’m not sure Sumlin will be there long enough for him to get them.

Again, I wish he had stayed as he is a very good DC for LSU’s system and I really like continuity in a program.

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Fair enough, I changed the OP.

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Cool, then I will make an honest attempt at answering your question. I will preface this answer by emphasizing that (a) John Chavis was the best DC at LSU since Nick Saban left and (b) the 2011 LSU defense was the best I have ever seen put on an LSU uniform, no discussion needed.

Chavis' scheme has two problems. The first is a personnel problem, and the second is a 3rd and long problem.

The personnel problem is simply that Chavis' defenses typically give up some size to the opponent. This can have negative effects against a team built around serious size on offense (see, Alabama and Arkansas).

The 3rd and long problem (Tennessee fans created the now infamous name, "3rd and Chavis") is also a scheme issue (and not a play calling issue, as some would claim). Chavis asks his linebackers and safeties to cover in space a lot because he puts the corners on an island (this could be its own Chavis topic, really). This typically leaves the middle of the field covered by the relatively bigger defenders. When LSU had elite athletes playing there (e.g., Eric Reid and Kevin Minter), there was no problem. But when those guys left, and were replaced by less athletic players, there was a big problem. On 3rd down and long, with lots of space to work with, opposing teams match up athletic slot receivers and running backs against Chavis' safeties and linebackers in the middle of the field. Opponents have a remarkable conversion rate against Chavis in these situations.

The 3rd and long problem is the same thing as the "prevent" problem. The same tendency to give up big plays on 3rd and long is caused by the space Chavis leaves in the middle of the field. This killed LSU over the last couple of years against Georgia (2013), Ole Miss (2013), Alabama (2012 & 2014), Clemson (2012) and Notre Dame (2014). LSU fans are not happy about these performances.

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And when the d is carrying a team - chances are - they are on the field considerably longer than the o - which has been the case this season for LSU.

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Nope, wrong.

We were top 10 nationally in TOP on offense (maybe top 5).

For comparison, A&M was #122. That is called a defense killer.

Was just a guess - but obviously I stand corrected. Wow- did not realize that.