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Posted on 7/13/17 at 9:49 am to Tidemeister
Posted on 7/13/17 at 9:49 am to Tidemeister
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Posted on 7/13/17 at 10:16 am to TailbackU
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People forget that Chris Todd broke Pat Sullivan's touchdown record.
Please see the previous page re: Chris Todd's "record breaking" year. Those stats were completely built off games against Ball State and Furman.
vs Ball State, Furman and Louisiana Tech
53/70 (76%), 798 yds (266 ypg), 11 TD / 0 INT
vs the SEC
109/196 (56%), 1,295 yds (162 ypg), 6 TD / 5 INT
This post was edited on 7/13/17 at 10:21 am
Posted on 7/13/17 at 10:25 am to jvilletiger25
Many fans don't like Danielson because he is frank and he calls the game straight up. If your team is sucking he calls them out on it. It rubs most of us the wrong way but generally speaking he is spot on and truthful when he is calling a game.
Can be very painful for a fan to listen to during a game. He is not warm and fuzzy.
Overall, I appreciate him because he is knowledgeable and I think does a great job analyzing a game and seeing trends during a game that can swing it one way or the other.
Can be very painful for a fan to listen to during a game. He is not warm and fuzzy.
Overall, I appreciate him because he is knowledgeable and I think does a great job analyzing a game and seeing trends during a game that can swing it one way or the other.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 10:27 am to Godawgs4
Agree - I don't always agree with Gary, but anybody who thinks he's playing to one side or another is butthurt.
I also think Gary has done a damn nice job of implementing more advanced stats into his analysis the last few years. He is willing to listen to new things and use them if he thinks they properly describe the action.
He still makes me want to break things sometimes, but I think he's good when he does his specific job : analysis.
I also think Gary has done a damn nice job of implementing more advanced stats into his analysis the last few years. He is willing to listen to new things and use them if he thinks they properly describe the action.
He still makes me want to break things sometimes, but I think he's good when he does his specific job : analysis.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 10:34 am to Tidemeister
I think the majority of AU fans, here and elsewhere, are only cautiously optimistic Stidham can live up to the hype coming from other media types. And you'll note Danielson was responding to that hype not with criticism of Stidham's potential, but of Malzahn's offensive inconsistency without a true running threat taking snaps.
Stidham showed his running ability in his HS days, but didn't get much of an opportunity at Baylor. And taking a full year off from live game competition certainly will have an impact, especially early on. So while there are plenty of reasons for high expectations based on his potential upside, there's not much justification for some of the more extreme media hype.
But there's one thing about Stidham about which I feel very confident: he will NOT be JJ 2.0. Any failure to progress into a SEC-caliber starter will likely be physical (or poor coaching), not mental.
Stidham showed his running ability in his HS days, but didn't get much of an opportunity at Baylor. And taking a full year off from live game competition certainly will have an impact, especially early on. So while there are plenty of reasons for high expectations based on his potential upside, there's not much justification for some of the more extreme media hype.
But there's one thing about Stidham about which I feel very confident: he will NOT be JJ 2.0. Any failure to progress into a SEC-caliber starter will likely be physical (or poor coaching), not mental.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 10:43 am to SummerOfGeorge
Gary might have studied Gus's Offense since he has been at AU, but he hasn't look close enough at their personnel. When Todd was the QB, they lacked an OL and WRs, but he was still very efficient, despite have a shoulder injury where he couldn't throw more then 15 years with any force.
Cam had the OL and a freshman RB, but it took a while to develop the receivers. Cam was a much better passer than Gary admitted to at that time.
Trotter did not have the OL and he paid the price.
Marshall's talent was running the ball, an Gus rode that talent.
White and JJ had their own issues. One doesn't have the strongest arm and the other doesn't have the clearest head for football. Throw in the development of the OL and WRs.
With Stidham you have a great arm who can throw into windows,and a clear understanding of Defenses. AU will have a very experience OL and very good WRs for the first time in years. Then throw in one of the best RBs in the league. Stidham doesn't have to carry this team alone, which is a first for Gus. Gary never mentioned those factors, but that wouldn't have gotten headlines.
Cam had the OL and a freshman RB, but it took a while to develop the receivers. Cam was a much better passer than Gary admitted to at that time.
Trotter did not have the OL and he paid the price.
Marshall's talent was running the ball, an Gus rode that talent.
White and JJ had their own issues. One doesn't have the strongest arm and the other doesn't have the clearest head for football. Throw in the development of the OL and WRs.
With Stidham you have a great arm who can throw into windows,and a clear understanding of Defenses. AU will have a very experience OL and very good WRs for the first time in years. Then throw in one of the best RBs in the league. Stidham doesn't have to carry this team alone, which is a first for Gus. Gary never mentioned those factors, but that wouldn't have gotten headlines.
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Posted on 7/13/17 at 10:46 am to SummerOfGeorge
quote:You managed to leave out one of his most impressive outings, his 284-yard, 4-TD effort in a driving rainstorm vs #25 West Virginia.
vs Ball State, Furman and Louisiana Tech
53/70 (76%), 798 yds (266 ypg), 11 TD / 0 INT
vs the SEC
109/196 (56%), 1,295 yds (162 ypg), 6 TD / 5 INT
But, just to break it down by his passing rating against his SEC opponents, with their season average rating in parentheses:
Mississippi St. 111.41 (130.78)
Tennessee 126.92 (122.06)
Arkansas 93.47 (129.48)
Kentucky 61.34 (132.68)
LSU 71.05 (111.11)
Mississippi 150.49 (130.33)
Georgia 152.11 (122.97)
Alabama 139.22 (106.47)
Todd's season was skewed by a trio of terrible games mid-year - he bounced back pretty impressively at the end of the season. So his performance against P5 teams wasn't nearly as pitiful as your post indicates, finishing with respectable 124.7 rating against all FBS teams, putting him at #49 in the nation in '09.
And bear in mind, this was a guy with a 101.25 rating the previous season against P5 teams the previous year.
This post was edited on 7/13/17 at 10:56 am
Posted on 7/13/17 at 11:01 am to FearlessFreep
Yea, I'm not arguing he didn't have a decent year, but this narrative that he lit the world on fire as evidence Malzahn can win and put up huge numbers with a throwing/non running QB is pretty ridiculous.
Todd was an average SEC QB and Auburn was an average SEC offense in 2009. They put up gigantic numbers against overmatched opponents. There is nothing wrong with that, it was a huge improvement from 2008, but that doesn't make it evidence that Gus is a wizard who can have fantastic offenses with passing QBs.
Todd was an average SEC QB and Auburn was an average SEC offense in 2009. They put up gigantic numbers against overmatched opponents. There is nothing wrong with that, it was a huge improvement from 2008, but that doesn't make it evidence that Gus is a wizard who can have fantastic offenses with passing QBs.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 11:07 am to SummerOfGeorge
Paul Smith threw for 5000 yards at Tulsa under Gus.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 11:38 am to JuiceTerry
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Your Sean White love is funny as hell
I stated facts and statistics. Are you here to dispute any of them?
Posted on 7/13/17 at 11:41 am to DuncanIdaho
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Paul Smith threw for 5000 yards at Tulsa under Gus.
Which is really his only true season of having a QB throw for tons of yards without a running threat. And it was at Tulsa, in CUSA.
I think the whole argument is moot since this offense won't really be Gus' and won't be the same as it was before, but I feel pretty confident in my belief that his specific offense will not be elite in the SEC without a very good o-line and a running QB with a big arm.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 11:42 am to SummerOfGeorge
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his specific offense
His specific offense is no longer being run at Auburn with the Lindsay hire.
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very good o-line and a running QB with a big arm.
We may very well have all of that this year.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 11:44 am to DuncanIdaho
This may seem like a trivial thing but IMO it's huge: can Stidham slide?
Sean White had (has?) no ability to avoid taking a hit. He stayed hurt for that reason. I rewatched all of Stidham's available D1 footage with a mind for this very thing, and I will grade him out as a 6.8/10 on the Slide-O-Meter. Sean White is a 1/10. Stidham didn't have to avoid hits a lot at Baylor. That will change in the SEC.
I know he's got an orange jersey on in AU's practices, but Chip better coach Stidham up on protecting himself or Auburn fans are in for a lot of heartache this year. Mark my word: this will mean the difference in having a good or great season.
Sean White had (has?) no ability to avoid taking a hit. He stayed hurt for that reason. I rewatched all of Stidham's available D1 footage with a mind for this very thing, and I will grade him out as a 6.8/10 on the Slide-O-Meter. Sean White is a 1/10. Stidham didn't have to avoid hits a lot at Baylor. That will change in the SEC.
I know he's got an orange jersey on in AU's practices, but Chip better coach Stidham up on protecting himself or Auburn fans are in for a lot of heartache this year. Mark my word: this will mean the difference in having a good or great season.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 11:45 am to SummerOfGeorge
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I feel pretty confident in my belief that his specific offense will not be elite in the SEC without a very good o-line and a running QB with a big arm
Will there be any elite offense in the SEC without a very good o-line and a QB that can scramble and has a big arm? Key word being elite
Posted on 7/13/17 at 11:46 am to BowlJackson
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I stated facts and statistics. Are you here to dispute any of them?
Sean White vs P5 Opponents (9 games)
102/168 (60.7%)
133 YPG
4 TD / 3 INT
132.9 QB Rating
Sean White vs non-P5 Opponents (2 games)
31/40 (77.5%)
242 YPG
5 TD / 0 INT
241.5 QB Rating
Sean White in non-"injured" games vs P5 teams (Clemson, A&M, LSU, MSU, Arky, Ole Miss, Vandy)
92/138 (66.6%)
162 YPG
4 TD / 2 INT
He's an ok QB. Nothing more, nothing less. Solid option as a backup, though.
This post was edited on 7/13/17 at 11:48 am
Posted on 7/13/17 at 11:46 am to DuncanIdaho
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His specific offense is no longer being run at Auburn with the Lindsay hire.
Yep, which I noted 3 or 4 times in this thread (hence why the argument is really moot at this point).
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We may very well have all of that this year.
Don't disagree with that either
Posted on 7/13/17 at 11:47 am to Godawgs4
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Many fans don't like Danielson because he is frank and he calls the game straight up.
No, it's b/c he calls games w/a holier than thou I'm so superior attitude that makes him come off like a self important dickhead more often than not.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 11:52 am to SummerOfGeorge
Not sure where you got your stats from, but for the most part they're wrong and embellished. No doubt purposely to try and make some "point". Well nobody is buying it, bud, sorry
Posted on 7/13/17 at 11:53 am to SummerOfGeorge
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Todd was an average SEC QB and Auburn was an average SEC offense in 2009. They put up gigantic numbers against overmatched opponents. There is nothing wrong with that, it was a huge improvement from 2008, but that doesn't make it evidence that Gus is a wizard who can have fantastic offenses with passing QBs.
Todd had a bad shoulder that prevented him from being effective more than 15 yards down field. Auburn put up big numbers against MSU, WV, Ole Miss and scored three or more TDs agaisnt TN, AR, UGA and Bama. This with a brand new OL and a WR corp led by 175lb player that nobody recruited. Stidham has 10 times more talent than Todd and the surrounding cast to make it happen.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 11:54 am to BowlJackson
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Not sure where you got your stats from
www.cfbstats.com
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but for the most part they're wrong and embellished
They are not, they are stats.
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No doubt purposely to try and make some "point". Well nobody is buying it, bud, sorry
Everyone is buying it, because they are the best stats. The biggest stats. The hugest stats. And, they are the rightest stats.
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