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re: Florida wouldn't take Ukwuachu Transfer

Posted on 8/25/15 at 7:47 pm to
Posted by ChiTownBammer
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Posted on 8/25/15 at 7:47 pm to
Damn. Sounds like Petersen couldn't have told Briles much.

Have a feeling Petersen might end up looking like an a-hole here.
Posted by therick711
South
Member since Jan 2008
25098 posts
Posted on 8/25/15 at 7:54 pm to
And the ags might learn a lesson. Well, one of those things could happen.
This post was edited on 8/25/15 at 7:56 pm
Posted by BeYou
DFW
Member since Oct 2012
6025 posts
Posted on 8/25/15 at 7:58 pm to
quote:

You are really missing the point of this article, which showed that Boise was forthcoming with info regarding the transfer with the Florida staff, which would mean they likely were with Baylor as well.


I'm sorry you believed Thayer Evans.

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Upvote. Eff Ukwuachu tpos. Briles knew what he was doing no doubt.



Except for the fact that Boise State just said they didn't know of any violence towards women while he was at Boise State.

LINK

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2. The university had possibly the WORST investigation in the history of investigations.


Would you like to discuss the lack of resources Title IX departments have in these investigations? No power to subpoena, no power to compel testimony under oath, must be completed in 60 days, no access to medical records (victim did not provide rape kit results/nurse report per request).

I'm not saying the investigation was good, but you're asking a lot from a Title IX office. Baylor certainly has room to improve its process and procedures but all colleges are being asked a lot when investigating these crimes.

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Which do you think is more likely, that Boise selected to be more forthcoming with certain schools compared to others, or they told all the schools that asked about him the same thing?


Neither, because they didn't know he was violent towards his girlfriend while has was there.
This post was edited on 8/25/15 at 8:04 pm
Posted by BeYou
DFW
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 8/25/15 at 8:05 pm to
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The main point is that Muschamp denying his transfer corroborates the idea that Briles is lying about what he knows, and supports what Petersen has said.


Nope. Once again, everyone so quick to believe Thayer Evans and his anonymous source.

Didn't we learn this lesson over the Oklahoma State debacle?
Posted by BeYou
DFW
Member since Oct 2012
6025 posts
Posted on 8/25/15 at 8:08 pm to
quote:

A. Art Briles threw Chris Peterson under the bus regarding the Boise St. Incident and it backfired.

B. Baylor didn't question why Boise St., denied the waiver request to play immediately.

C. Baylor incident occurs, Baylor conducted an internal review and determined there was no evidence and that he would play,

D. He was only sitting out now because the charges were brought after Baylor's review.



A - Yes, saying that Petersen never told him about the domestic violence is throwing him under the bus.

B - It is quite common for schools to deny waiver request to play immediately.

C - Waco Police, who have infinitely more investigatory power than the Baylor Title IX department, came to the same conclusion.
Posted by BeYou
DFW
Member since Oct 2012
6025 posts
Posted on 8/25/15 at 8:10 pm to
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Briles appeared to fail both in finding out about the guy, and in acting when the guy was charged.


How was Briles to find out something that Boise didn't know about?
Posted by BeYou
DFW
Member since Oct 2012
6025 posts
Posted on 8/25/15 at 8:13 pm to
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Second, Petersen kicked the kid off the team and we now have two examples where he and the BSU athletic department warned potential schools of what they were getting. Also, they didn't sign off on the transfer request that Baylor sent. Beyond that, there isn't anything that they can do. If a guy wants to transfer and there is a school that wants to take him, then it's going to happen. The only thing that the other program can do is throw up as many warnings as possible...which Boise and Petersen did.


Aggy jumping to conclusions without knowing any of the facts. smh.
Posted by BeYou
DFW
Member since Oct 2012
6025 posts
Posted on 8/25/15 at 8:14 pm to
quote:

one of either Peterson or Briles is lying


Or they are both telling the truth.

Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
140416 posts
Posted on 8/25/15 at 8:15 pm to
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Muschamp kicked like 25 guys off the Florida team when he took over there.


No. He did not do this.
Posted by BeYou
DFW
Member since Oct 2012
6025 posts
Posted on 8/25/15 at 8:56 pm to
It's funny that so many people wanted to believe Thayer Evans again.
Posted by Roger Klarvin
DFW
Member since Nov 2012
46508 posts
Posted on 8/25/15 at 8:58 pm to
This is a solid melt
Posted by BeYou
DFW
Member since Oct 2012
6025 posts
Posted on 8/25/15 at 9:04 pm to
quote:

This is a solid melt


No melt. Just refuting Aggy premature claims. They got so excited and Baylor-obsessed because they thought they caught Briles in a lie.
Posted by tigercreole
United States of Russia
Member since Jul 2013
3294 posts
Posted on 8/25/15 at 9:17 pm to
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You guys sure do love some Baylor news

Because #2 TCU and #4 Baylor have been running Texas since the Longhorns vacated the throne. They'll reign until UTx takes over again. Aggy not in their league. Just a glorified UH. That's why Sumlin fits in so well.
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
56280 posts
Posted on 8/25/15 at 9:27 pm to
Coaches from the state of Texas are all garbage
Posted by oman
Dallas
Member since Sep 2014
3280 posts
Posted on 8/25/15 at 10:11 pm to
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Which one do you think is more motivated to lie?


At this point in time, anyone from Boise State and Baylor, because both programs could look bad -- one for not warning and one for not doing anything about it.

The quake is going to take Baylor down but Boise is going to get hit with some aftershocks.

Boise States statement:

The incidents and factors that contributed to Sam Ukwuachu’s dismissal from the Boise State football team had nothing to do with accusations of any sexual assaults or with accusations that he physically assaulted any women. However, federal laws protecting privacy prohibit Boise State from releasing information about ?what did result in his dismissal from the Boise State University football team.

Boise State University never received any reports nor had any knowledge of Sam Ukwuachu being involved in any accusations of sexual assault before or during his time at Boise State....


You don't think Boise State is circling the wagons?

LINK /


Without belaboring the point, I think schools have the duty to investigate and the duty to warn. It's a complicated world with privacy and safety concerns, but with the millions spent on this sport, the schools can afford to spend some money on compliance.
Posted by AgCoug
Houston
Member since Jan 2014
5861 posts
Posted on 8/25/15 at 10:14 pm to
Facts, eh?

Fact - Baylor player raped a fellow student

Fact - Baylor administration fricks up the investigation due to either pressure from the football program or incompetence

Fact - Both a nurse and psychologist report that victim has most likely been assaulted. Baylor does nothing.

Fact - Victim is further abused by the Baylor administration. Victim has to move classes, gets scholly reduction, changes schools

Fact - Rapist gets treated with kid gloves, retains scholly, gets degree.

Fact - Administration somehow cover this up for 2 years.

Fact - Baylor Dean either purposefully lies under oath during trial to blame the victim or is so egregiously incompetent that she has no business being in her position

Fact - Baylor football has had 7 sexual assaults under Briles' watch

And that's just the start. Who gives a shite if Briles is lying or not? You think that's really the story? If you are truly a Baylor alum and are coming on a message board, puffing out your chest stating, "see this report, our coach didn't lie!" then you have some fricked-up priorities. There is nothing to be proud of here. There's nothing to defend.

Your school did one of three things during this investigation: 1) covered it up to protect its football program 2) dragged their heels during a RAPE investigation and further injured the victim or 3) displayed such gross ineptitude on such a large scale that the whole structure failed. I guess #'s 2 & 3 are better than #1 but not by much.

But hey, at least a report from Boise State came out that gives a tiny bit of credence to the fact Briles didn't know he brought in a rapist. That's good, right?


Posted by ChiTownBammer
South Florida
Member since Aug 2014
1127 posts
Posted on 8/25/15 at 10:33 pm to
This is some serious butthurt on display here.

Is Baylor really that threatening to you guys? I could see if it was Texas.

This is hard to look at.
Posted by AgCoug
Houston
Member since Jan 2014
5861 posts
Posted on 8/25/15 at 10:37 pm to
Not butthurt at all Bammer. I would have written the same thing if this was about any other school, including my own.

Or maybe you think it's good for a uni to cover-up/screw-up a rape investigation.
Posted by Spirit Of Aggieland
Houston
Member since Aug 2011
4607 posts
Posted on 8/25/15 at 10:42 pm to
That report from Boise St. certainly does help Briles' claims that he didn't know about the Boise St. sexual assault.

I think there is so much fear of lawsuits that Boise St. and Baylor are both very tight lipped on the matter. But If Boise St. knew and neglected to mention it, then yeah Peterson will be taking the heat. That appears to be what the motivation behind that latest statement.

If Briles really was not aware of sexual assault allegations, then I won't fault him for taking the transfer. However, it appears that Baylor did not handle the Baylor assault investigation very well.

A&M doesn't have fear or jealousy towards Baylor. Coach Briles just didn't like losing to A&M so often, and acted like a baby about it. So there is some friction there...
This post was edited on 8/25/15 at 10:43 pm
Posted by ChiTownBammer
South Florida
Member since Aug 2014
1127 posts
Posted on 8/25/15 at 10:46 pm to
quote:

Or maybe you think it's good for a uni to cover-up/screw-up a rape investigation.


Well at least you guys have changed your tune. Before it was how Briles was supposed to know this guy was a rapist. Now it's the investigation.

Look. Based on what Boise has said themselves it doesn't appear Briles had any reason to believe this guy was anything more than troubled at worst. Like I said earlier, unless Petersen came out and told him the guy was a potential rapist or woman-beater then I don't know what you wanted Briles to do.

And if he did tell him those things then it makes Boise complicit in trying to shop a rapist.

Its looking more and more like what people accused Jimbo Fisher of doing to Bama by sending them Coker. Almost sounds like Petersen wanted rid of this guy and was willing to say whatever it took for someone to take him off their hands.

The way Petersen came out so quickly and said what he said had me kind of suspicious from the get-go.
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