re: Florida wouldn't take Ukwuachu Transfer

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Peterson didn't have the same responsibility to Baylor students as Briles has.

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Didn't say it was the same responsibility, just that Petersen might have been complicit.

I just think it's funny that Petersen is trying so hard to convince people he told Briles everything without realizing that, if he truly did, it makes them both look like scumbags.

Sounds to me like Petersen told him the bare minimum to cover his arse and still manage to dump the kid somewhere else.

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A libel case would not be an issue when it comes to schools sharing information about student athletes who have been dismissed from a program.

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Lazy use of words. The students are going to be protected by various privacy statutes. I'm not an expert on those, but anyone in administration is going to be concerned about providing too much info.

And we know if Briles does happen to get fired at Baylor over this, he will definitely surface again at another college.

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I'm not sure of the question. If I was an ex-employer, and you were calling me for a reference for an employee who I thought was violent, I would be more guarded than if he wasn't violent. I'd be concerned about the guy suing me for libel, while at the same time concerned about the guy doing harm with the prospective employer. I could have the same conversation with two different prospective employers and the conversation would be different, depending on my relationship with the caller, and that caller's skill at cross examining me.

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But if the concern is providing too much info from Boise's end like you were suggesting, why would they so openly answer UF's questions and make it so clear to UF what the nature of his relationship was like?

From a common sense standpoint I have trouble believing that Boise officials went as far as to imply he had beaten his girlfriend to officials from UF, but Peterson made him seem like a homesick kid who needed a change of scenery to Baylor as Briles said

Even if the questions asked by the two ADs were different, it seems unlikely to me that the message would vary that greatly

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Here is an article that might help.

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None of that really addresses your claims that

1) Briles is obviously lying

2) Peterson and Boise threw up "as many wanrings as possible".

I don't think there is much debate that Baylor did a terrible job once the kid came over and is worthy of a whole lot of punishment.

Other than Peterson contradicting Briles, I'm not sure what evidence you are relying on that Boise and Peterson did everything that was possible and that Peterson can't be disbelieved.

This isn't muschamp saying this. the source for this article is "ex-staff"

you know where muschamp's exstaff could be coming from? The University of Texas. Yes, they could be telling the truth, but anonymous sources with ties to a competing institution, really THE competing institution. Yes, they have a reason to lie. A terrible, totally morally vacuous reason to lie. But those are the people who lie.

As has been pointed out, What Petersen said or did not say to Florida does not provide proof of what he said or did not say to Baylor. It is worth noting that if other schools who ukwuachu was shopped to was all reinforced that Petersen informed then, that WOULD be a court of law worthy admission, as it indicates a pattern of behavior. At the moment however, we have one unverified data point. we do not have a pattern.

I think a good question to ask here is, if Ukwuachu is and was such an obviously bad dude, why the hell was he being shopped to anyone?

Baylor has released several forms from Boise that state Ukwuachu was not in any academic or disciplinary duress involved with his transfer. these forms are in conflict with the elements of the generally accepted timeline. They are also in conflict with Petersen's statement. Specifically that Ukwuachu was not on the team. I wonder why this is. Perhaps it is normal for schools to not hinder transfers with hurdles that are basically just semantic. One way or another Ukwuachu was not returning to the Boise football team, so why say he had been officially kicked off if he wasn't going to be there by the time that actual meant anything?

The only point I am trying to make is there are competing narratives. Of all the claims made so far, the item I find least believable is the notion that any of these coaches would remember specifically what was said in their phone conversations.

none of the narratives absolve Baylor from its atrocious disciplinary review. However, given the findings of the review, the rest of the actions-him staying in school and being allowed to graduate, they make sense. A school would finds no fault in a disciplinary hearing cannot then dismiss the student, and they can't treat the student punitively, if they did they would open themselves to legal action. People, even awful people, have rights, and until they are found guilty by a governing body, school, or court of law, you can't treat them as guilty.

This story isn't over, more stuff is bound to come out, this Florida stuff is hardly damning. Petersen needs to respond to Briles response. Boise needs to respond also. Ukwuachu's high school coach adamantly supported Briles narrative, but I don't see any Aggies bothering to post that. LINK

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Briles is obviously lying

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its a judgement call

one of either Peterson or Briles is lying

I'll go through your post line by line.

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And the evidence that Boise also warned Florida.

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As implied, if that's evidence to you, you have an agenda.

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I guess my question would be, what do you think would be the proper response from a school who has a problem child transferring? What steps do you believe are proper?

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1) Explain why in the circumstances I did not conduct a Title IX investigation and instead kicked the kid off for "violating team rules".

2) Provide a single, simple statement to other universities identifying the problem with the kid and providing information as to how they can obtain additional information.

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Also, there is quite a bit more evidence that supports Petersen's claim that he warned Briles, than supports the opposite. I'm not really sure what you are arguing or why.

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I'm asking you to support your very simple claims: that Briles is lying and that Peterson and Boise did "all that was possible". You said them. Not me. If all you are relying on is Peterson's statement and what I think is a non-probative discussion with Florida, that's fine. If you have more, spill it.

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It seems pretty obvious to me that Baylor is the one that screwed this up and are now in crisis management.

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You think?

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They have yet to show any evidence that they didn't screw it up their president has even announced an administrative review (compete CYA at this point) to see how they screwed it up.

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Again, you seem to be missing the point that all of this is likely true. I'm merely wondering why you are assuming that Boise State and Peterson did all they could do and that Briles is lying. Briles did plenty to frick things up without lying.

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So, why are you defending them? What's your motivation?

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Given that I am not defending them, I'm going to have a hard time showing the motivation.

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Also, interestingly enough, neither Baylor nor any member of their administration has released a statement of concern for the victim in this case.

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Also irrelevant to Boise State's behavior or the fact that Briles lied about his discussions with Peterson.

Also, let's just break this down to it's most basic terms. Boise State hears allegations of domestic violence without police involvement and decides to kick the player off the team. At Baylor this same person is indicted for rape and he is allowed to stay on scholarship, practice with the team and go to classes where the victim is present.

Which one do you think is more motivated to lie?

Not shocking he ended up at a trash program like Baylor, I'm sure West Virgina and Louisville were knocking down his door as well.