re: Florida wouldn't take Ukwuachu Transfer

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Well at least you guys have changed your tune.

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I don't know. The long post up there was my first post in this thread and had nothing to do with Briles. My tune has stayed the same.

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unless Petersen came out and told him the guy was a potential rapist or woman-beater then I don't know what you wanted Briles to do.

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Perhaps. But it is curious why Florida said no. Still, beside the point in my opinion.

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The way Petersen came out so quickly and said what he said had me kind of suspicious from the get-go.

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I'm sure we haven't heard the last of this on the football front.




The only reason I jumped in this thread was because I think the bigger picture was being lost. Yes, this is a sports forum and that's certainly going to be the main angle, but this story goes a lot further than Art Briles.

Personally, I hope Briles did no wrong. Not because I necessarily like Briles, but rather I hate the alternative and what that means on a deeper level for college athletics.

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Facts, eh?

Fact - Baylor player raped a fellow student

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Agree

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Fact - Baylor administration fricks up the investigation due to either pressure from the football program or incompetence

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Title IX investigations, performed by the Baylor compliance department, have very little resources to work with. They cannot subpoena, they cannot compel someone to testify under oath, they have to complete the investigation under 60 days, they must follow privacy laws (HIPAA), etc.

In the course of the investigation, SU roommate testified that he was at home during the time of the rape and did not hear or witness the struggle the women claims. It turns out he lied about this and since he wasn't under oath, Baylor had to take him at his word.

When he was called to testify in the case, he did everything he could to get out of it - going as far as spending 2 nights in jail for contempt of court. The DA tore his story to shred when he did get on the stand.

Upon request by Baylor, the victim didn't provide the rape kit nor the nurse report.

SU passed a polygraph, which was taken into consideration. This was later thrown out and not used in court. Also taken into consideration was the fact that the girl had slept with him before and she had admitted to drinking that night.

Now, he certainly isn't innocent. He is a TPOS but it is understandable as to how the Title IX department came to its conclusion.

Further, the Waco PD (who have actual investigative power) came to the same conclusion that not enough evidence existed to proceed in the case.

Your notion that Baylor football program pressured the compliance department to find a 3rd string DL not guilty has no credibility behind it.

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Fact - Both a nurse and psychologist report that victim has most likely been assaulted. Baylor does nothing.

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Baylor did not have access to this information.

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Fact - Victim is further abused by the Baylor administration. Victim has to move classes, gets scholly reduction, changes schools

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At this point, he had been found not guilty by the Title IX department.

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Fact - Rapist gets treated with kid gloves, retains scholly, gets degree.

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Support for the victim is something that certainly needs to be revisited. This should of never had happened and hopefully changes will be instituted from it ever happening again.

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Fact - Administration somehow cover this up for 2 years.

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I can't help you if you think this is a cover up. Please show how Baylor covered this up. Sorry they didn't do the media's job in reporting this. I won't even begin to dive into how Baylor was under a gag order by the State during the case and legally could not discuss it.

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Fact - Baylor Dean either purposefully lies under oath during trial to blame the victim or is so egregiously incompetent that she has no business being in her position

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She will likely be fired. Once again, I don't understand the idea of Title IX compliance members taking the role as judges in internal investigations. I understand this is required by Title 9. This isn't a disagreement with you but more of a disagreement with Title IX in general point.

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Fact - Baylor football has had 7 sexual assaults under Briles' watch

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Tevin Elliot and Sam U. Who else?

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And that's just the start. Who gives a shite if Briles is lying or not? You think that's really the story? If you are truly a Baylor alum and are coming on a message board, puffing out your chest stating, "see this report, our coach didn't lie!" then you have some fricked-up priorities. There is nothing to be proud of here. There's nothing to defend.

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There is no winners in this case. There are only losers. Just pointing out the inaccuracies from all the Aggy's so eager to believe a Thayer Evans piece and badly want Brile's fired.

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Your school did one of three things during this investigation: 1) covered it up to protect its football program 2) dragged their heels during a RAPE investigation and further injured the victim or 3) displayed such gross ineptitude on such a large scale that the whole structure failed. I guess #'s 2 & 3 are better than #1 but not by much.

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Once again - how was this a cover up? It has all been public record. It has been known for awhile that he was facing sexual assault charges. Media failed to discuss it but that isn't Baylor job.

You literally cannot drag your heals through an investigation if you want to be compliant with Title IX, it has to be completed in 60 days. I already highlighted the issues I have above when you force a school to form a quasi-judicial body with no actual power. I am not saying an effective investigation isn't possible but when you are

As for #3, if you are referencing the lack of support given to the victim I completely agree. I am glad that an investigation is being done that will hopefully produce better investigatory methods for our Title IX department and a better support system for students experiencing PTSD from trauma that occurred while at Baylor.

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But hey, at least a report from Boise State came out that gives a tiny bit of credence to the fact Briles didn't know he brought in a rapist. That's good, right?

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The point of posting the Boise statement is in reference to the OP, which highlighted that two anonymous ex-staff members at Muschamp said they don't believe Muschamp would of had hi on their team. This article cast doubt on whether Art Briles lied or not (which would, IMO, affect his employment status at Baylor). The statement from Boise all but clears him.

I'm on no witch hunt with Briles. Too many facts remain unknown.

I would love to know how a convicted rapist gets only 180 days jail time. I thought the state of Texas was tough on criminals.

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Unless you sit on the jury, it's hard to know what was presented. It seems that the fact that she had spent the night in his bed, although didn't have sex, may have played into it.

Foley told Muschamp he couldn't take the transfer after he showed Boom how to tie his shoes again.

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Let's just say, Urban can't spell "ethics" or "integrity."

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Urban learned how to spell, pronounce, and define those words the one year he was "resting" at ESPN