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re: Dee Milliner, The Next Bama Bust?
Posted on 5/27/15 at 9:42 am to narddogg81
Posted on 5/27/15 at 9:42 am to narddogg81
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62 tackles, 3 ints, 19 passes defended in 16 games
64 tackles, 2 ints, 13 passes defended in 16 games
one of these is dee milliner's first 16 games (which is how many hes played in total), one of these is patrick peterson's first 16 games. which do you think is which?
Why bring facts and comparisons to the table?
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Posted on 5/27/15 at 9:46 am to narddogg81
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62 tackles, 3 ints, 19 passes defended in 16 games
64 tackles, 2 ints, 13 passes defended in 16 games
one of these is dee milliner's first 16 games (which is how many hes played in total), one of these is patrick peterson's first 16 games. which do you think is which?
Nice cherry picking and leaving out some stats... One is a pro-bowler the other is trying to be 4th string.
Posted on 5/27/15 at 9:47 am to StopRobot
Warmack is a bust? He started every game the last two years and I think he missed less than 10 PLAYS for the Titans last year.
Quinton Dial is a bust? He was a fifth round draft pick and played in 14 games last year. Compare him to another 5th round DE pick. Oh lets say Lavar Edwards who played in 10 games and was cut by the Cowboys before the season last year.
Nico Johnson is a bust? He was a 4th round pick who played in the last 12 games for the Bengals games last year. Lets compare him to, oh I don't know, maybe the player selected four picks before him, Sam Montgomery. Montgomery was signed and released by two teams and coincidentally was a teammate of Nico Johnson last year. Montgomery didn't see the field once last year.
El Boomo
Quinton Dial is a bust? He was a fifth round draft pick and played in 14 games last year. Compare him to another 5th round DE pick. Oh lets say Lavar Edwards who played in 10 games and was cut by the Cowboys before the season last year.
Nico Johnson is a bust? He was a 4th round pick who played in the last 12 games for the Bengals games last year. Lets compare him to, oh I don't know, maybe the player selected four picks before him, Sam Montgomery. Montgomery was signed and released by two teams and coincidentally was a teammate of Nico Johnson last year. Montgomery didn't see the field once last year.
El Boomo
Posted on 5/27/15 at 9:47 am to Irons Puppet
I live and work in NYC and have plenty of friends that root for the Jets. Id like to think I have a good feel for their fanbase. For the most part the fans I've talked to weren't thrilled or majorly disspointed with Dee so far. They said he played well when he was healthy but had injury concerns. They went crazy signing corners this off-season so I'm not sure how much playing time Dee will get but the potential is still there for him. Dre seemed to have picked up his play towards the end of last season. I'm not sure if I'd say without a doubt it hasn't worked out for both players or teams. They are still on the roster after all.
This post was edited on 5/27/15 at 9:49 am
Posted on 5/27/15 at 9:47 am to Irons Puppet
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Who were the QBs that Millner and DK got interceptions against ?
Not sure, but don't see how that's statistically significant in determining how they'll fare in the NFL...in Revis' last year at Pitt, he had 2 INTs...picked off Dustin Grutza and Jameel Sewell...neither were NFL caliber QBs and it didn't seem to have an adverse effect on his NFL career...
Posted on 5/27/15 at 9:49 am to RedElephants
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62 tackles, 3 ints, 19 passes defended in 16 games
64 tackles, 2 ints, 13 passes defended in 16 games
one of these is dee milliner's first 16 games (which is how many hes played in total), one of these is patrick peterson's first 16 games. which do you think is which?
Why bring facts and comparisons to the table?
Using Milliners stat over three years, is like saying a Major League Baseball player whose only appearance was a pitch hit single and a strikeout, had HOF stats (.500).
Posted on 5/27/15 at 9:50 am to Irons Puppet
Those two start lines were accumulated over the same number of games.
Posted on 5/27/15 at 9:51 am to auburnphan23
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Mark Barron is the textbook definition of a bust. Top 10 pick, already traded by the team who drafted him, and the Rams recently declined to pick his option for his 5th year
You're a clown. He had 80+ tackles for Tampa Bay in each of his first two seasons, was named to the All-Rookie team after his rookie season, and was traded mid-season to the Rams this past year, allowing him to only play 9 games for them. They opted not to pick up his 5th year option because that would have required them to pay him a mandatory Top 10 pick salary.
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"We also elected not to exercise Mark Barron’s option," Rams coach Jeff Fisher said Tuesday. "That wasn’t our option -- just for the record -- that was Tampa’s option we traded for. We felt like Mark’s important to us. We felt from a big picture standpoint we would be better suited to try to re-do and extend his contract prior to that deadline.”
As the seventh pick of the 2012 draft, Barron's option would have required the Rams to pay him the average of the 10 highest-paid safeties in the NFL. All top-10 picks are subject to that same amount when teams exercise the fifth-year option so if the Rams had executed the option, his 2016 salary would have been $8.263 million.
This post was edited on 5/27/15 at 9:52 am
Posted on 5/27/15 at 9:52 am to Irons Puppet
Posted on 5/27/15 at 9:52 am to Tuscaloosa
This thread is fun
Posted on 5/27/15 at 10:01 am to Tuscaloosa
So he is a top 10 pick who has a whopping 3 interceptions in his entire NFL career, has already been given up on by the team who drafted him, and the team who traded for him doesn't want to pay him as top 10 pick. Yet all this means he is not a bust in your delusionsal mind. Thanks for the laugh
Posted on 5/27/15 at 10:03 am to RB10
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These are meaningless without the number of attempts made in their direction, along with the number of TDs given up. Do you have those numbers?
i dont have those numbers, not sure where one could easily get them. i do know that patrick peterson has lead the league or was near the top in touchdowns surrendered the last 2 seasons, with 7 and 8 respectively, so maybe that is not the stat you want to use. And if the attempts stat goes the way you want (ie peterson saw fewer attempts because hes so lockdown), then the tds surrendered looks even worse.
Posted on 5/27/15 at 10:04 am to auburnphan23
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So he is a top 10 pick who has a whopping 3 interceptions in his entire NFL career, has already been given up on by the team who drafted him, and the team who traded for him doesn't want to pay him as top 10 pick. Yet all this means he is not a bust in your delusionsal mind. Thanks for the laugh
Whatever you say, bud. The only thing that matters is that Auburn cheats and gives 2nd chances. LINK
This post was edited on 5/27/15 at 10:05 am
Posted on 5/27/15 at 10:05 am to auburnphan23
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So he is a top 10 pick who has a whopping 3 interceptions in his entire NFL career,
you do know his 'entire career' has been 16 games?
Posted on 5/27/15 at 10:06 am to narddogg81
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you do know his 'entire career' has been 16 games?
Nah, he's a clown - so he came in talking about Mark Barron in a Dee Milliner thread.
Posted on 5/27/15 at 10:08 am to Tuscaloosa
Yea but TRich doe. Lulz Bama bust
Posted on 5/27/15 at 10:09 am to Irons Puppet
quote:16 games vs 16 games. you can say 3 years if it makes you feel better, but its really one full nfl season so far.
Using Milliners stat over three years, is like saying a Major League Baseball player whose only appearance was a pitch hit single and a strikeout, had HOF stats (.500).
Posted on 5/27/15 at 10:10 am to narddogg81
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i dont have those numbers, not sure where one could easily get them. i do know that patrick peterson has lead the league or was near the top in touchdowns surrendered the last 2 seasons, with 7 and 8 respectively, so maybe that is not the stat you want to use. And if the attempts stat goes the way you want (ie peterson saw fewer attempts because hes so lockdown), then the tds surrendered looks even worse.
First, we're talking about their rookie year, or 1st 16 games, so the last 2 seasons are irrelevant for Peterson.
Second, if you want to bring in the last 2 years for Peterson, fine. You need to do so with a grain of salt, however. He's shadowed the opposing #1 for the last 2 seasons so he's going to give up yards and TDs when doing that. Granted, he has given up more than most expected, even shadowing #1's.
Third, it was discovered last year, during the season, that Peterson is diabetic. That explains the issues he's had with cramping and fatigue for years, including his final year at LSU.
Hopefully addressing that will help Peterson moving forward and Milliner can stay healthy.
This post was edited on 5/27/15 at 10:12 am
Posted on 5/27/15 at 10:10 am to Patton
quote:how fun will this place be if somehow trich turns it around and is good at the raiders? so many people have so much emotional currency invested in him being bad.
Yea but TRich doe. Lulz Bama bust
Posted on 5/27/15 at 10:10 am to auburnphan23
There is a reason we have more so called "busts"....
1st round draft picks since 2010....
Bama- 15
LSU- 6
Auburn- 4
1st round draft picks since 2010....
Bama- 15
LSU- 6
Auburn- 4
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