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re: Cuonzo Martin removes his name from consideration for Marquette job
Posted on 4/1/14 at 1:02 am to ohiovol
Posted on 4/1/14 at 1:02 am to ohiovol
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No, but I'd rather not lose 13 with a team which shouldn't lose more than 7.
You went to the sweet 16 and played a very good Michigan team to the buzzer. The same Michigan team that the uber-talented Kentucky team had to beat at the buzzer.
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Posted on 4/1/14 at 1:03 am to KCM0Tiger
Of course he won't. Nolan is a hall of fame worthy coach and probably the best that will ever coach at Arkansas. However, Anderson isn't even remotely as bad of a coach as you make him out to be.
Posted on 4/1/14 at 1:04 am to volfan30
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It's very obvious why the SEC is so laughably bad at basketball. Why should Tennessee fans not think we can do better than Cuonzo? Hell, Jerry Green had more success here.
You've been to 5 sweet 16's in the entire history of the school. Martin owns one of those and did it in his 3rd year.
Posted on 4/1/14 at 1:05 am to RTR America
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There were three 5 stars and 2 high 4 stars in that group
None of which panned out.
Chism is arguably the most productive 4 year player in Tennessee history. Didn't pan out?
The others were very productive college players.
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He received a show clause from the NCAA and was fired because of how he recruited them
He received a show cause for lying to the NCAA. There were no major recruiting violations.
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Who says they have to be highly regarded guys to win? Florida has one guy on their entire roster that would be drafted in the 1st round most likely, Chris Walker, and he barely plays.
Their roster is loaded with 4 and 5 star guys. But I guess they didn't pan out, huh?
You are talking in circles.
Landing a lot of highly rated guys gives you a much better chance of success, NBA success has nothing to do with any of this.
Posted on 4/1/14 at 1:06 am to volfan30
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It's very obvious why the SEC is so laughably bad at basketball. Why should Tennessee fans not think we can do better than Cuonzo? Hell, Jerry Green had more success here.
That's certainly true.
Posted on 4/1/14 at 1:06 am to TheCheshireHog
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However, Anderson isn't even remotely as bad of a coach as you make him out to be.
I didn't make him out to be a bad coach. I think he's a B- caliber coach, as I stated. He's "good" but he isn't "very good" or "great". He's also not "average" or "bad". He's just "good".
Posted on 4/1/14 at 1:07 am to RTR America
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You've been to 5 sweet 16's in the entire history of the school. Martin owns one of those and did it in his 3rd year.
Once again, one 2 week run.
Steve Donahue and Stan Heath made it to the sweet 16 once upon a time too.
Posted on 4/1/14 at 1:08 am to RTR America
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You've been to 5 sweet 16's in the entire history of the school. Martin owns one of those and did it in his 3rd year.
That makes him less successful than Jerry Green.
Posted on 4/1/14 at 1:09 am to KCM0Tiger
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You either need to become a fan of a different school for basketball, or temper your expectations. After 3 years of improvement, a fallback season is not unheard of. It's not all a straight rise to the top
We don't even know if it will be a fallback season. My feeling is that Stokes is returning and if that's the case things will be better than expected.
As to recruitment... Martin's brought in 2 five stars while he's been here. His first class was pretty bad but he also had about two weeks to put it together. The recruiting class coming in doesn't look great but there's an argument to be made that it's due to the type of player he's recruited this year (need fulfillment plus defensive players don't often get the stars that offensive players do).
He's a young coach and while regular season play was unquestionably disappointing given the talent on the floor, the tourney run was exceptional and would've been at least to the elite 8 were it not for a bad call by the refs.
As for tempering expectations, I disagree. Fans can and should expect to win and win consistently and expect a coach to perform in the regular season with a talent filled team. According to FiveThirtyEight we were horribly underseeded by the selection committee - the most underseeded team in their analysis of unserseeded teams that went as far back to 80s.
Realism is for evaluating results at the end of the year given all of the factors and given all of the factors and for ADs.
Posted on 4/1/14 at 1:10 am to volfan30
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Chism is arguably the most productive 4 year player in Tennessee history. Didn't pan out?
If you consider that panning out for a highly rated high school player then I don't know what to tell you
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The others were very productive college players.
Because they played for a damn good coach
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Their roster is loaded with 4 and 5 star guys. But I guess they didn't pan out, huh?
9 combined top 100 recruits combined between Florida, Wisconsin, and UCONN.
Posted on 4/1/14 at 1:11 am to RTR America
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You've been to 5 sweet 16's in the entire history of the school. Martin owns one of those and did it in his 3rd year.
It's 5 since 2000.
Posted on 4/1/14 at 1:12 am to Prof
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As for tempering expectations, I disagree. Fans can and should expect to win and win consistently and expect a coach to perform in the regular season with a talent filled team. According to FiveThirtyEight we were horribly underseeded by the selection committee - the most underseeded team in their analysis of unserseeded teams that went as far back to 80s.
Which I have argued for the past couple of weeks and understand. I don't like the idea of putting a lot of stock in one run.
I also realize the guy has been a head coach for only 6 years and this is only his 3rd year at Tennessee.
Posted on 4/1/14 at 1:14 am to ohiovol
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It's 5 since 2000.
Sorry I missed the one elite eight.
Posted on 4/1/14 at 1:18 am to RTR America
The point is we have been to 5 sweet 16s since 2000 under 3 different coaches. Doesn't seem like what Martin did is all that special to me.
We aren't Kansas or UCLA, but we're not Ole Miss either.
I've seen a lot of basketball and I don't think there's any way this Cuonzo/UT marriage ends well, but I guess it's good to know the rest of the SEC is glad to see him stick around.
We aren't Kansas or UCLA, but we're not Ole Miss either.
I've seen a lot of basketball and I don't think there's any way this Cuonzo/UT marriage ends well, but I guess it's good to know the rest of the SEC is glad to see him stick around.
Posted on 4/1/14 at 1:20 am to RTR America
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Which I have argued for the past couple of weeks and understand. I don't like the idea of putting a lot of stock in one run.
I also realize the guy has been a head coach for only 6 years and this is only his 3rd year at Tennessee.
I think you might be confused. I'm not arguing against Martin.
Posted on 4/1/14 at 1:20 am to Prof
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I think you might be confused. I'm not arguing against Martin.
I knowPosted on 4/1/14 at 1:24 am to RTR America
Look, we aren't saying he should he fired. But volfan30, like many who watch UT basketball, know what we've seen is likely as good as we are going to get from Martin. It's understandable to prefer he leaves now on his own terms rather than get fired in two years. I'm on the fence. We would botch this coaching search right now.
Posted on 4/1/14 at 1:25 am to RTR America
Just wanted to make sure... The full on meltdown by 30 is rather confusing. 
Posted on 4/1/14 at 1:26 am to ohiovol
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what we've seen is likely as good as we are going to get from Martin. It's understandable to prefer he leaves now on his own terms rather than get fired in two years.
This is exactly my stance.
ETA: I think things will get much worse for Cuonzo before he gets fired. Think the fanbase wasn't happy this year? It will get much worse when he has very little talent. Would have been better for everyone if he had just moved on. I don't think this was his choice though.
This post was edited on 4/1/14 at 1:28 am
Posted on 4/1/14 at 1:27 am to ohiovol
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Look, we aren't saying he should he fired. But volfan30,
30 did say that tho. He mad.
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