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re: Cuonzo Martin removes his name from consideration for Marquette job

Posted on 4/1/14 at 12:45 am to
Posted by volfan30
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Posted on 4/1/14 at 12:45 am to
A fallback year? He has not even had a good year yet. He had one good 2 week stretch aided by some very favorable matchups, but he did a very poor job coaching this year from November-February.
Posted by TheCheshireHog
Cashew Chicken Country
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Posted on 4/1/14 at 12:49 am to
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I was quite literally ecstatic when Anderson left Mizzou...I was sick of his shite. I still am, however, I didn't think we'd replace him with someone even worse.


It's funny to see you knight for Martin in this thread but dog Anderson.
Posted by KCM0Tiger
Kansas City, MISSOURI
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 4/1/14 at 12:49 am to
24 wins and a Sweet Sixteen is not a good year? Again, if that's the case to you, you should consider becoming a fan of Duke, North Carolina, Kentucky, etc. because for the non-blue blood schools of America, that's a good year.
Posted by KCM0Tiger
Kansas City, MISSOURI
Member since Nov 2011
15518 posts
Posted on 4/1/14 at 12:51 am to
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It's funny to see you knight for Martin in this thread but dog Anderson.


I don't think it's unreasonable to say that Martin is a better coach than Anderson. Actually, I would argue that it is likely. Anderson hasn't done dick outside of 1 season at Mizzou leading to an Elite Eight. Martin was a crummy charge call from matching that this year.

If I were giving the coaches grades based on their careers, I'd give Mike a B- and Cuonzo a B.
This post was edited on 4/1/14 at 12:53 am
Posted by RTR America
Memphis, TN
Member since Aug 2012
39600 posts
Posted on 4/1/14 at 12:52 am to
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Pearl brought in Wayne Chism, JP Prince, Duke Crews, Tyler Smith and Ramar Smith in his first 20 months on the job.



Man all that NBA talent. The best player Pearl had was Tobias Harris and they did really do squat with him on the roster.

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Yes, he benefitted from 3 years of Lofton (as anyone would) but he also added a ton of talent around him very quickly.



Not really. He had his best years with those guys because they just happened to fit his system perfectly.
Posted by volfan30
Member since Jun 2010
40949 posts
Posted on 4/1/14 at 12:52 am to
The regular season was unquestionably a disappointment.

Getting sept by aTm, losing to UTEP, losing to NC State at home, I mean what the frick?

As I said, they played well for a few weeks and got lucky with some matchups and I'm glad they did, but this was Tennessee's 5th most successful team in the last 9 years with one of their 2 or 3 most talented teams.
Posted by RTR America
Memphis, TN
Member since Aug 2012
39600 posts
Posted on 4/1/14 at 12:53 am to
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24 wins and a Sweet Sixteen is not a good year? Again, if that's the case to you, you should consider becoming a fan of Duke, North Carolina, Kentucky, etc. because for the non-blue blood schools of America, that's a good year.



Memphis fans are absolutely dying for a sweet 16 appearance under Pastner. Some people even want him fired.
Posted by RTR America
Memphis, TN
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 4/1/14 at 12:54 am to
I think you are under the idiotic Clay Travis spell that the Tennessee job is better than what it is.
Posted by ohiovol
Member since Jan 2010
20828 posts
Posted on 4/1/14 at 12:54 am to
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You either need to become a fan of a different school for basketball, or temper your expectations. After 3 years of improvement, a fallback season is not unheard of. It's not all a straight rise to the top


With Martin, you pretty much don't even start trying until February.
Posted by KCM0Tiger
Kansas City, MISSOURI
Member since Nov 2011
15518 posts
Posted on 4/1/14 at 12:56 am to
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With Martin, you pretty much don't even start trying until February.



So his teams get better as the season goes? Works for me.

We have to deal with Haith, who goes undefeated in non-con and then flounders to a .500 record in the league and a postseason tournament flop.
Posted by volfan30
Member since Jun 2010
40949 posts
Posted on 4/1/14 at 12:57 am to
I'm not sure what you're arguing here.

There were three 5 stars and 2 high 4 stars in that group. Just because they didn't play in the NBA doesn't mean he didn't do a good job recruiting them. All very highly regarded guys who fit his system, isn't that the goal?

The best plaayer Pearl had was Tobias Harris? What? Chris Lofton was a much, much better college player.
Posted by RTR America
Memphis, TN
Member since Aug 2012
39600 posts
Posted on 4/1/14 at 12:57 am to
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With Martin, you pretty much don't even start trying until February.



So you would rather pick up wins in December and January than in March?
Posted by TheCheshireHog
Cashew Chicken Country
Member since Oct 2010
40890 posts
Posted on 4/1/14 at 12:57 am to
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I don't think it's unreasonable to say that Martin is a better coach than Anderson. Actually, I would argue that it is likely. Anderson hasn't done dick outside of 1 season at Mizzou leading to an Elite Eight. Martin was a crummy charge call from matching that this year.


And yet Anderson still has a better career winning %.

Obviously you're biased considering Anderson and Mizzou's history but it's still humorous to see you laud a coach that is statistically similar or lesser of a coach than one you bash constantly. The double standard is fun to watch.
Posted by volfan30
Member since Jun 2010
40949 posts
Posted on 4/1/14 at 12:58 am to
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Memphis fans are absolutely dying for a sweet 16 appearance under Pastner. Some people even want him fired.



Pastner is horrendous.
Posted by ohiovol
Member since Jan 2010
20828 posts
Posted on 4/1/14 at 12:58 am to
It's not some gradual improvement over three years. It's mediocre basketball right until we decide we don't want to play in the NIT again.
This post was edited on 4/1/14 at 1:00 am
Posted by ohiovol
Member since Jan 2010
20828 posts
Posted on 4/1/14 at 12:59 am to
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So you would rather pick up wins in December and January than in March?


No, but I'd rather not lose 13 with a team which shouldn't lose more than 7.
Posted by TheCheshireHog
Cashew Chicken Country
Member since Oct 2010
40890 posts
Posted on 4/1/14 at 12:59 am to
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Pastner is horrendous.


Don't tell Dan Wolken.
Posted by RTR America
Memphis, TN
Member since Aug 2012
39600 posts
Posted on 4/1/14 at 1:01 am to
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I'm not sure what you're arguing here.



That Bruce Pearl made you think the Tennessee job is much better than it is

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There were three 5 stars and 2 high 4 stars in that group


None of which panned out.

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ust because they didn't play in the NBA doesn't mean he didn't do a good job recruiting them.


He received a show clause from the NCAA and was fired because of how he recruited them

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All very highly regarded guys who fit his system, isn't that the goal?


Who says they have to be highly regarded guys to win? Florida has one guy on their entire roster that would be drafted in the 1st round most likely, Chris Walker, and he barely plays.

Posted by KCM0Tiger
Kansas City, MISSOURI
Member since Nov 2011
15518 posts
Posted on 4/1/14 at 1:01 am to
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The double standard is fun to watch.


I'm glad you enjoy it.

Just as my bias gives me an overly negative view of Anderson, your bias gives you an overly positive view of him.

Anderson is not, and will never be what Nolan was. Plain and simple.
Posted by volfan30
Member since Jun 2010
40949 posts
Posted on 4/1/14 at 1:02 am to
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I think you are under the idiotic Clay Travis spell that the Tennessee job is better than what it is.



It's very obvious why the SEC is so laughably bad at basketball. Why should Tennessee fans not think we can do better than Cuonzo? Hell, Jerry Green had more success here.
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