re: Comparing the 2013 SEC coaching hires Bielema, Jones, & Gus.

So it's fair to say Toledo is better than arkansas last year?

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All that typing and yet non-Arkansas fans in this thread and others recently would still take Bielema.

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And all these Arkansas fans trying to say Bert's situation was far worse than Gus' at the time of being hired, yet not one can explain how just one of the six most widely read preseason magazines back in 2013 projected Auburn to finish ahead of Arkansas in the standings.

I could care less who everyone else would pick as their head coach. None of the three are mine. But Arkansas fans are the most delusional bunch on this board. On one hand they are begging for everyone to include them into the "Big 6" but then everything they do proves they aren't worthy..... like heaping praise on a head coach who is sub .500 in three seasons.

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And all these Arkansas fans trying to say Bert's situation was far worse than Gus' at the time of being hired, yet not one can explain how just one of the six most widely read preseason magazines back in 2013 projected Auburn to finish ahead of Arkansas in the standings.

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I'll just go back to page two to see what the other coaches in the SEC thought about the situation before 2013.

"They are going to be slim in a lot of spots. It’s going to take them three years to get a good foundation. It’s a product of bad recruiting — which is typical of a Bobby Petrino school. It’s the same thing that happened at Louisville that got Steve Kragthorpe fired. Petrino didn’t leave him any players"

Gus had coached in the SEC before, Bielema hadn't. Gus had recruited players for his system, Bielema was trying to implement a power run scheme with passing spread personnel.

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No one is saying preseason magazines are accurate.

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Then don't bring it up if that is the case

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But Arkansas fans are trying to paint a rosy situation in Auburn at the time Gus was hired when it was obviously NOT the case.

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You are exaggerating, I have seen one Arkansas fan try to "paint a rosy situation". You are using one person to stereotype all the Arkansas posters in this thread. They are just providing reasons for why it wasn't as bad as Arkansas' situation.

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I can see why Arkansas fans don't want to factor in Season 1 into the equation, but the bottom line is that Gus has been far more successful in three seasons.

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Eh, I don't believe it has anything to do with not factoring in Season 1 but more to do with trends. I can easily agree that Gus has had more success, that really isn't debatable in my eyes. That doesn't mean it will continue and facts have shown that to this point.

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The same reason Bert went 0-8 in the SEC is the same reason Chizik got fired. The problem with auburn that season before Gus wasn't talent or being a dumpster fire , it was a change of scheme. Gus came in and went right back to the old offense and was unsurprisingly successful. Bert continued on the change and has improved significantly every year

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True, no one has even gotten into the fact one with through a scheme overhaul after many years of a pass first offense.

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I can easily agree that Gus has had more success, that really isn't debatable in my eyes. That doesn't mean it will continue and facts have shown that to this point.

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Finally a somewhat logical opinion from an Arkansas fan.

The problem with "trends" is it punishes Gus for having a great season in the first place while simultaneously making Bert look great because he improved upon a lowly 3-9 first season.

Again, take away both of those seasons and both Auburn and Arkansas are 15-11 the past two years.

Last season Arkansas was 8-5 and Auburn was 7-6. The two teams played in Fayetteville and Arkansas won in four overtimes. A single bounce of the ball would have reversed those two records.

Based on that, I don't think any reasonable person should therefore proclaim so called obvious "trends" of Bert's upward movement and Gus' decline.

If Arkansas wins 9 or 10 games in 2016 while Gus drops down to 5 or 6 wins.... then yes, I think its time to declare there is an obvious trend. But right now, its way too early to declare a trend that is based upon a 4OT game that could have easily gone either way.

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Finally a somewhat logical opinion from an Arkansas fan.

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There are plenty from other posters but for some reason you refuse to look at them.

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The problem with "trends" is it punishes Gus for having a great season in the first place while simultaneously making Bert look great because he improved upon a lowly 3-9 first season.

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I would agree if there was just two seasons to judge.

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But right now, its way too early to declare a trend that is based upon a 4OT game that could have easily gone either way.

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You think one head to head game is a good judge of the direction for each school? You can't be serious?

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BHMKyle

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I have never in my life seen a Dawg knight for Auburn like this fellow.

Aubs don't even give a shite about defending their own coach, but Kyle will type a journal.

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I would agree if there was just two seasons to judge.

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So Bert going from 7 to 8 wins and Gus going from 8-7 wins is supposed to be some gigantic trend that proves one of them is better than the other? You've dug quite a hole for your program... because if Bert slips back to even 7 wins next year you're going to have to therefore say he's on a downward trend that apparently has gigantic meaning.

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You think one head to head game is a good judge of the direction for each school?

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No, but you do. And apparently all Arkansas fans do. You are arguing that because Arkansas beat Auburn at home in 4OT which resulted in them "improving" from 7 to 8 wins, Bert is now skyrocketing upwards while Gus is plummeting downwards due to the ball bouncing the other way.

That's my entire point. Had one play gone differently last season, both programs would be flat over two seasons: Auburn at 8 wins for two years in a row and Arkansas at 7 wins for two years in a row. But apparently because the ball bounced Arkansas' way one more time on their home field, its proof that the trend is alive and very real.

You all better hope Bert makes it to at least 8 wins in 2016, because you are all basing quite a bit of importance on "trends" involving even a one game move in a certain direction. If Bert's upward trend is as impressive as you all say it is because he took Arkansas up to 8 wins from 7 the year before, then you're going to have to take a lot of heat if it goes back the other direction next year.

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No, but you do. And apparently all Arkansas fans do. You are arguing that because Arkansas beat Auburn at home in 4OT which resulted in them "improving" from 7 to 8 wins,

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Show me where I did that

Stop making shite up