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re: Comparing the 2013 SEC coaching hires Bielema, Jones, & Gus.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 11:07 am to danfraz
Posted on 7/12/16 at 11:07 am to danfraz
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I'd take Butch I think.
Best recruiter of the three.
I would say Gus has been the best recruiter of the 3. At least according to the recruiting services.
Average recruiting class rankings (247Sports) since the HC was hired:
8.25- Auburn
12.25- Tennessee
24.00- Arkansas
Total Number of 5-star recruits signed since HC was hired:
7- Auburn
1- Tennessee
1- Arkansas
Total Number of 4 & 5-star recruits signed since HC was hired:
58- Auburn
46- Tennessee
21- Arkansas
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Posted on 7/12/16 at 11:12 am to bamasgot13
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but AU was only 2 full seasons removed from greatest season in school history
They were 3 seasons removed from their National Championship year in 2010.
Arkansas was 2 seasons removed from its highest final National ranking since 1977.
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and had a much stronger national brand in football than Arky did. This made for easier recruiting success. Additionally, Gus had history at AU so he knew the landscape well and could "hit the ground running".
This is certainly the truth. Hiring Bert was a huge gamble for Arkansas. It's rare men are hired to be head coaches when they had zero ties to the region in which they are expected to go recruit. The jury is still out on whether that gamble has paid off.
It's much easier for someone to pull it off if they are coming into a program with a rich history. For instance, Saban obviously had no problem coming down from Michigan State to coach at LSU. But Arkansas is no LSU, and from a talent standpoint, Arkansas is no Louisiana either.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 11:15 am to BHMKyle
Are you feeling poorly Kyle? Usually you show up right away to try and troll Arkansas. If this had gone three pages without you showing up you would have started to worry people.
I will direct the attention of the tRant to the roughly 2000 threads on the subject of Petrino riding a tremendous offensive class that dropped into his lap at Arkansas but leaving the cupboard bare for the next coach (who was a horrible recruiter as well) before Bert inherited the dumpster fire.
Butch is a tremendous recruiter who sometimes has mental collapses in games. Gus can get hot calling plays but there are times when he is too stubborn for his own good. Bert has his teams playing great down the stretch but starts off the season in a torpor.
The all have their good and bad points. Based on Auburn fan meltdowns towards the end of last year I'd say the only one of the three in danger of getting canned at the end of this season is Gus.
I will direct the attention of the tRant to the roughly 2000 threads on the subject of Petrino riding a tremendous offensive class that dropped into his lap at Arkansas but leaving the cupboard bare for the next coach (who was a horrible recruiter as well) before Bert inherited the dumpster fire.
Butch is a tremendous recruiter who sometimes has mental collapses in games. Gus can get hot calling plays but there are times when he is too stubborn for his own good. Bert has his teams playing great down the stretch but starts off the season in a torpor.
The all have their good and bad points. Based on Auburn fan meltdowns towards the end of last year I'd say the only one of the three in danger of getting canned at the end of this season is Gus.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 11:15 am to bamasgot13
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agreed, but AU was only 2 full seasons removed from greatest season in school history and had a much stronger national brand in football than Arky did. This made for easier recruiting success. Additionally, Gus had history at AU so he knew the landscape well and could "hit the ground running". That was my point about Bert having more of a mess than AU.
This, no one is trying to say Gus walked into a good situation but there was much more talent on that team than Arkansas or Tennessee. That really isn't debatable.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 11:24 am to Arksulli
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Based on Auburn fan meltdowns towards the end of last year I'd say the only one of the three in danger of getting canned at the end of this season is Gus.
This is the truth. Which is why Auburn is Auburn and in the "Big 6" and why Arkansas is Arkansas and not in the same club.
The only reason Tennessee fans are not calling for Butch's head (like they were before they beat Georgia last season) is because they finished last year winning 7 of 8... with the loan loss coming by just 5 points in Tuscaloosa.
Arkansas fans are the only group of the 3 that seem content with 7 win seasons in perpetuity.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 11:28 am to BHMKyle
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Arkansas fans are the only group of the 3 that seem content with 7 win seasons in perpetuity.
Do you actually believe that? There is no proof that we are fine with 7 win seasons. You lose all credibility with a statement like that.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 11:29 am to BHMKyle
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Arkansas fans are the only group of the 3 that seem content with 7 win seasons in perpetuity.
There is the lousy troll we know and tolerate.
Never change Kyle, never change.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 11:31 am to BHMKyle
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The only reason Tennessee fans are not calling for Butch's head (like they were before they beat Georgia last season) is because they finished last year winning 7 of 8... with the loan loss coming by just 5 points in Tuscaloosa.
Arkansas fans are the only group of the 3 that seem content with 7 win seasons in perpetuity.
We won 6 of our last 7 with a tougher schedule but only Tennessee gets a pass? Ok
Posted on 7/12/16 at 11:32 am to rockiee
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Do you actually believe that?
Considering he lives in every thread about Arkansas, I imagine he actually does.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 11:32 am to Arksulli
Kyle acts like its our fault he got Chaney. Dude, we didn't force him on Georgia, we fired him. You guys will do the same in a year or 2
Posted on 7/12/16 at 11:35 am to BHMKyle
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They were 3 seasons removed from their National Championship year in 2010.
I said 2 full seasons removed (the 2011 & 2012 seasons) from the title in 2010. Gus was hired in December 2012. That was less than 2 years from when they won the title in early Jan 2011.
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Arkansas was 2 seasons removed from its highest final National ranking since 1977.
highest ranking since 1977 does not equal highest ranking since 1957 and a national championship.
Bert was Arkansas' 3rd coach in less than 8 months. Gus was AU's 3rd coach in about 14 years. The stability of the situations couldn't have been more different.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 11:35 am to TheCheshireHog
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Considering he lives in every thread about Arkansas, I imagine he actually does.
I have noticed his strange obsession with us but was giving him one last chance to take back his outlandish statement. I'll just mark him down as a troll and move on.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 11:36 am to bamasgot13
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highest ranking since 1977 does not equal highest ranking since 1957 and a national championship.
Bert was Arkansas' 3rd coach in less than 8 months. Gus was AU's 3rd coach in about 14 years. The stability of the situations couldn't have been more different.
You are completely right but that really doesn't fit the narrative he is trying to push.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 11:37 am to rockiee
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Do you actually believe that? There is no proof that we are fine with 7 win seasons. You lose all credibility with a statement like that.
Read every post in this thread and there is nothing but optimism and praise for Bert from Hog fans. How else would anyone interpret it?
Bert's records:
2013: 3-9
2014: 7-6
2015: 8-5
So with all this praise, one would think Arkansas must be poised for a banner year in 2016. What is the projection?
Phil Steele has Arkansas outside is Preseason Top 40. He has the Hogs finishing #6 in the West
Lindy's has Arkansas unranked and #6 in the West
Athlon has Arkansas unranked and #4 in the West
ESPN has Arkansas unranked and #7 in the West
Why all this optimism when most preseason mags project another 7ish win season in 2016?
Posted on 7/12/16 at 11:40 am to BHMKyle
Because the game isn't played in a magazine? 
Posted on 7/12/16 at 11:40 am to BHMKyle
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Read every post in this thread and there is nothing but optimism and praise for Bert from Hog fans. How else would anyone interpret it?
Actually there are plenty of other fans praising him as well.
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perpetuity
Do you know what that word means? If you don't that would make sense and you could save face a little bit with ignorance. If you do really know what that means than I just feel really sorry for you and your obsession.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 11:44 am to gohogs141
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We won 6 of our last 7 with a tougher schedule but only Tennessee gets a pass? Ok
Tennessee finished #22 last year
Arkansas finished unranked
Tennessee lost 4 games last year... 3 of which were to #1 Alabama, #5 Oklahoma, and #25 Florida all by a combined 13 points.
They also return most of their starters and are in most everyone's preseason Top 10. I think its obvious why Tennessee fans are optimistic. I think everyone not wearing a pig on their head is trying to figure out why Arkansas fans are optimistic though.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 11:59 am to bamasgot13
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Bert was Arkansas' 3rd coach in less than 8 months. Gus was AU's 3rd coach in about 14 years. The stability of the situations couldn't have been more different.
I just think its interesting how Chizik was supposedly a joke of a head coach. All his Auburn teams supposedly sucked, but the only... and I mean THE ONLY... reason why he had a minute of success was because of Cam Newton.
Yet then in the next breath we are all supposed to believe that Gus walked into a very stable, talent-rich situation in which any dumbass could have prospered in.
Those two narratives don't jive. Yet they are adopted by most everyone as absolute fact, despite being a complete contradiction.
Why not go back and check the preseason magazines from 2013?
Lindy's projected Arkansas #6 in the West; Auburn #7
Athlon projected Auburn #6 in the West; Arkansas #7
Phil Steel projected Arkansas #5 in the West; Auburn #6.5
Sporting News projected Arkansas #5 in the West; Auburn #6
Sports Illustrated projected Arkansas #6 in the West; Auburn #7
USA Today Magazine projected Auburn and Arkansas tied at #6.5
If you take those six magazines... which would be the most prominent preseason magazines on the shelves... Arkansas' average projected finish was #5.9 while Auburn was projected #6.5 on average.
So if Gus had it so good and Bert had it so bad, why did only one of the six most prominent preseason mags project Auburn to finish ahead of Arkansas in the Western standings going into 2013?
This revisionist history of Arkansas fans is completely undermined by facts.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 12:00 pm to BHMKyle
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This revisionist history of Arkansas fans is completely undermined by facts.
As you talk to a Bama fan
Posted on 7/12/16 at 12:02 pm to BHMKyle
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Tennessee lost 4 games last year... 3 of which were to #1 Alabama, #5 Oklahoma, and #25 Florida all by a combined 13 points.
I wonder who the other loss was to
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