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re: Civil War nicknames for SEC states..
Posted on 6/24/12 at 8:32 pm to theGarnetWay
Posted on 6/24/12 at 8:32 pm to theGarnetWay
Thanks for posting 
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Posted on 6/24/12 at 8:37 pm to semotruman
Thanks semotruman, I can tell you know your history about this and I am really enjoying reading your posts. Knew a little about Quantrall and obviously Jesse and Frank James but am really enjoying the information about the Jayhawkers and Bushwakers and the goings on between Kansas and Missouri.
Posted on 6/24/12 at 8:45 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
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That's pretty cool, I'm guessing that's where UNC got their mascot and I had no idea that's where it came from.
My guess the "tar heels" come from the fact that early settlers were brought over by Baron DeGraffenreid (including my ancestors) to work in the tar industry.
Posted on 6/24/12 at 8:47 pm to windhammontanatigers
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windhammontanatigers
Thank you! You know, I learned about it last year when I was Christmas shopping. I drew a name in a gift exchange - the guy was career military, sent to West Point where he played basketball and baseball, and now coaches basketball. I thought he might be interested in something on the Border War, so I bought him 2 books - one on the Border War specifically and a biography of Jesse James. I read most of them before I wrapped them up!
He loved them, and said the Border War wasn't really covered at West Point when he was there. This, even though the fighting in Missouri and Kansas was sort of the beginning of modern guerilla warfare, at least in the western world. I just got really interested in it. And living here, every time a conversation starts, someone chimes in with a family story - they still live it to some degree.
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Posted on 6/24/12 at 8:57 pm to semotruman
Isnt there a confederate museum in Higginsville, Mo? Maybe one of you guys on the western side of the state can clarify.
Posted on 6/24/12 at 9:12 pm to Stripes314
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Isnt there a confederate museum in Higginsville, Mo?
I know there's a Confederate cemetery, and what used to be a home for Confederate veterans. That cemetery is one of Quantrill's graves is. He has 3, I think, with parts of his body in each one.
Don't now about a museum.
Posted on 6/24/12 at 9:22 pm to semotruman
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I just got really interested in it. And living here, every time a conversation starts, someone chimes in with a family story - they still live it to some degree.
semo, I'm same way although on this board I really had to bottle it (aside from in this thread). As much as we despise, loathe, detest the kansas side, one thing I will admit is they too, in their distorted, self aggrandizing, revisionist way, are also very attached to the history of it all. It's strange how so very many people in the MO-kan region are like that, people who are not what would be called "civil war buffs" generally but who have so much knowledge and family ties and stories about the old border war. I got the feeling SEC fans, and other fanbases around the nation, thought us a little weird in that regard at first - but the simple fact is in terms of rhetoric and the way people think of themselves, the Civil War just never really ended along the MO-kan border.
And as I think all us Mizzou fans on here have kind of echoed, the insistance by the kansas side on injecting all that into our sports rivalry with them - from their jayhawk mascot to the red leggings to the John Brown posters on down - has, yes, made for a very intense rivalry but also one so very steeped with hate and spite that it really did need to stop. It was an unhealthy extension of ancient violence and brutality that is still in our bloodlines. I'm glad to see that shite end. I didn't think I would be, but I am.
This post was edited on 6/24/12 at 9:25 pm
Posted on 6/24/12 at 9:33 pm to Bama54
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My guess the "tar heels" come from the fact that early settlers were brought over by Baron DeGraffenreid (including my ancestors) to work in the tar industry.
The term Tar Heels did originate during the war. Nickname given to troops from N. Carolina that stood during a fight and refused to retreat or give ground.During the late unhappy war between the States it [North Carolina] was sometimes called the "Tar-heel State," because tar was made in the State, and because in battle the soldiers of North Carolina stuck to their bloody work as if they had tar on their heels, and when General Lee said, "God bless the Tar-heel boys," they took the name.
This post was edited on 6/24/12 at 9:39 pm
Posted on 6/24/12 at 9:44 pm to dbt_Geaux_Tigers_196
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What's interesting, is that hearing or remembering this history, make Missouri more 'real' to me, as an SEC institution. And also hoping Mizzou gets KU in that B12/SEC bowl thing and the Tigers pummel them 58-2.
Posted on 6/24/12 at 10:02 pm to BreakawayZou83
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What's interesting, is that hearing or remembering this history, make Missouri more 'real' to me, as an SEC institution. And also hoping Mizzou gets KU in that B12/SEC bowl thing and the Tigers pummel them 58-2.
That assumes kU making another bowl game. Don't see that for the foreseeable future.
And ATX - agree 100%.
Posted on 6/24/12 at 10:09 pm to semotruman
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I know there's a Confederate cemetery, and what used to be a home for Confederate veterans. That cemetery is one of Quantrill's graves is. He has 3, I think, with parts of his body in each one.
Yeah. Thats it.
Posted on 6/24/12 at 11:20 pm to semotruman
Bill Anderson is buried in the town where I was born. Interesting, the jail that collapsed is one block from the power and light district in Kansas City. I grew up hating ku. I fly the Q. Good to loose the unhealthy rivalry.
Posted on 6/24/12 at 11:27 pm to Aux Arc
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the jail that collapsed is one block from the power and light district in Kansas City.
Yep. It's former location is on the other end of the bridge over I-70 from a Mizzou bar called Willy's.
Posted on 6/24/12 at 11:28 pm to Aux Arc
Wow...Bloody Bill looks a lot like Nathan B. Forrest, though Bloody Bill does look a bit less tangle eyed than Forrest.
This post was edited on 6/24/12 at 11:33 pm
Posted on 6/24/12 at 11:57 pm to Porky
great thread
Posted on 6/25/12 at 12:08 am to Porky
Bloody Bill apparently had really, really light blue eyes - almost creepy light.
Did anyone ever come up with why Tennessee had the hog reference?
Did anyone ever come up with why Tennessee had the hog reference?
Posted on 6/25/12 at 12:17 am to Bama54
South Carolinians are referred to as Sand Lappers as well..I believe its because there is sand all the way up to Columbia. If you have ever been to a game at the Brice during a monsoon you will notice that there will hardly be any puddles anywhere in the fairground. Whereas if you go to Clemson the whole place turns into a mudhole.
Posted on 6/25/12 at 2:38 am to semotruman
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Bloody Bill apparently had really, really light blue eyes - almost creepy light.
I noticed that about him even with a B&W.
Posted on 6/25/12 at 8:02 am to TheCheshireHog
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Toothpicks is a reference to the Bowie Knife and its association with Arkansas.
In the Trans-Mississippi Theater, Arkansas and Louisiana troops always hung out together. Other troops referred to them as 'River Rats'.
Posted on 6/25/12 at 8:32 am to deltaland
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It's almost like football was created to channel those feelings for both sides, without the loss of life
Many psychologists feel that sports are a manifestation of our suppressed desires for violence and conflict. In a modern society, we frown on killing each other, but we celebrate the violent actions and successes of the teams we support.
Basically, it's vicarious warfare, which is why it's widely popular.
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