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re: Civil War nicknames for SEC states..
Posted on 6/24/12 at 7:10 pm to Porky
Posted on 6/24/12 at 7:10 pm to Porky
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Notice the single star? Wonder if that relates to the "Lone Star".
I don't know. On the pic I posted earlier of William "Bloody Bill" Anderson, he has a single star on his hat as well. It' bigger than the Texas guys, but still a single star. Interesting.
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Posted on 6/24/12 at 7:18 pm to plazadweller
A little on the Kansas Missouri Border War. Difficulties really started when Kansas was preparing for statehood. Because of the Kansas-Nebraska Act Kansas would vote as a territory to enter as a free or slave state. Many abolitionist and slavery supporters moved to Kansas to fight for their beliefs. Upon the vote 2 separate tallies were brought up. The free-soiler (abolitionist) were centered in Lawrence (home of kU). During this early period in the mid to late 1850's there was much violence on both sides. The election was a mess as the Missouri Governor actually told Missourians to cross the border and vote for slavery. This early period of conflict saw the 1st attack on Lawrence as well as the Pottawatie Massacre where John Brown and his supporters hacked up pro slavery Kansans with swords. As the war started Missouri was a split state with Union, Confederate and Neutral supporters pretty much evenly distributed. Old rivalries were still heated and Pro-Union Kansas Militia did not care what your beliefs, Jayhawkers raided throughout Western Missouri attacking and sacking many towns and killing many. Note one town Osceola which was destroyed just last year asked kU to quit using Jayhawks as a mascot in response. These Kansas Militia called themselves Jayhawkers and the term became synonymous with looters, rapists and murders. The Kansas depredations became so bad that eventually the Union General in charge had to order them out of Missouri and repeatedly complained of their attacks on Missourians. Many Missourians rose up to resist and get revenge they became known as Bushwakers. The most famous was Quantrill and Bloody Bill Anderson (guy SEMO posted earlier). Bushwackers and Jayhawkers spent the entire Civil War attacking, murdering anyone they came across the whole state became a battle ground of guerilla war. The 2nd attack on Lawrence came after several female family members of bushwackers were locked up in Kansas City and the jail they were in collapsed killing them. Quantrill led his raid on Lawrence in revenge for the jail collapse. Interesting to note Missouri fans fly Quantrill's flag still, WR TJ Moe had it this years game. Even after the war many refused to give up the fight and violence continued for many years afterwards. The most famous outlaws of the time Jesse James' Gang (Jesse/Frank James and the Youngers) were all ex bushwackers who continued to raid and fight.
This post was edited on 6/24/12 at 7:22 pm
Posted on 6/24/12 at 7:19 pm to theGarnetWay
The University of Georgia Goober Grabbers is so damned perfect. 
Posted on 6/24/12 at 7:20 pm to Tackle74
Posted on 6/24/12 at 7:25 pm to KCM0Tiger
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Trust me, they know exactly what it means. This year when we played them at Arrowhead (in Kansas City, Missouri), our intro video aired highlights from our football season. Their intro video showed pictures of John Brown (Yankee terrorist) as well as various jayhawker raids committed on Missouri soil and made references to "winning the war". Frick kU
So are y'all saying that the African-American young men who play for your football and basketball teams really hate those Yankee terrorists?
You sure they care so much about that history?
Posted on 6/24/12 at 7:28 pm to dbt_Geaux_Tigers_196
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Aren't redlegs a good reason to burn the whole state of Kansas?
Post of the muthaf*ckin' YEAR.
Yes, sir, yes they are. And we more or less did.
My sarcastic sig pic aside, in reality I had a great great great grandad who lived on a hill in western Missouri and served as the "lookout" for the town below - his specific job was to warn the town when jayhawkers were riding in from kansas to come try to pillage, loot and ransack the town.
Yes we burned Lawrence, KS to the ground. Most don't realize that was after jayhawkers had similarly burned a major Missouri town to the ground - Osceola - which unlike Lawrence, never was really able to rebuild. Two wrongs don't make a right, but that doesn't mean the Lawrence massacre was the only wrong that occured on the border frontier. Far from it, to Missourians it was seen as a justifiable revenge at the time by many.
This post was edited on 6/24/12 at 7:48 pm
Posted on 6/24/12 at 7:31 pm to beatbammer
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So are y'all saying that the African-American young men who play for your football and basketball teams really hate those Yankee terrorists?
You sure they care so much about that history?
I don't know but I'm interested in U.S. history and their history is a big part of our history.
Posted on 6/24/12 at 7:33 pm to beatbammer
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You sure they care so much about that history?
Maybe not - but people who grow up in Missouri generally hate Kansas. It bleeds over. The teams would always be fired up for those games.
And it's not like the jayhawkers were really "pro-union", they were more "pro-Kansas." They may not have wanted slavery in their state, but neither did they want displaced African-Americans. Those poor folks weren't welcome. Today I'm not sure if there are few African-Americans in Kansas because of that, or the lack of industry there, or just the simple reason - who in their right mind would ever want to live there?
Posted on 6/24/12 at 7:34 pm to beatbammer
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So are y'all saying that the African-American young men who play for your football and basketball teams really hate those Yankee terrorists?
I can say that the Mizzou football team - both black players and white players - was waving the black flag of William Quantrill in their locker room after the final football win over ku this year. Truth.
What their feelings are I don't know. History-wise I do know there was at least one free black, John Noland, who rode *along with* Quantrill's raiders and helped burn down Lawrence. That is an example of how personal and more localized the Missouri-kansas thing was than the overall larger conflict and what was supposedly being fought for. In the more wild west type guerilla warfare setting of Missouri/kansas, it was simple matters of whose neighbors shot who and who was friends with who. John Noland, though a freed slave who theoretically should have allied with the north, had seen his friends shot and killed by kansas redlegs and out of freindship decided to shoot back. Very complicated life story for him, one that a character was created for in the Toby McGuire movie "Ride With The Devil" directed by Ang Lee in the 1990s.
This post was edited on 6/24/12 at 7:46 pm
Posted on 6/24/12 at 7:36 pm to beatbammer
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So are y'all saying that the African-American young men who play for your football and basketball teams really hate those Yankee terrorists? You sure they care so much about that history?
Maybe I misunderstood. I am talking about their fans and probably most of their administration knowing what it means. But yeah, the players probably don't give a damn.
Posted on 6/24/12 at 7:38 pm to semotruman
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They may not have wanted slavery in their state, but neither did they want displaced African-Americans. Those poor folks weren't welcome.
Bingo. "Free" state did not mean freedom from slavery, it meant "free" of slaves - so that native whites could get the work. The kansas hypocrisy was always pretty blatant, highlighted by the fact that the Brown vs. Board of Education decision was in *Topeka, kansas* - in other words, desegregation had to be FORCED onto kansas rather than them doing it willingly. In that regard they were no different than any southern state really. Many, many true "northern" states had desegregated voluntarily already by the time kansas was forced to (and Missouri followed shortly thereafter). Couple that with all the "white flight" kansas suburbs of today like Overland Park and all the Fred Phelps types they have, and the hypocrisy there is just so galling and apparent. It sickens me. I could write a book about that obviously but I will stop now and enjoy the "tl;dr" treatment.
This post was edited on 6/24/12 at 7:42 pm
Posted on 6/24/12 at 7:41 pm to busey
Busey I'm surprised this whole thread hasn't made your head asplode.
Posted on 6/24/12 at 7:43 pm to theGarnetWay
Awesome post, lots of interesting stuff being brought up. If I ever make it back to richmond ill have to check out that museum
Posted on 6/24/12 at 7:49 pm to UcobiaA
quote:A little more detail on the "goober grabbers". As has been said, the goobers referred to are peanuts, and Georgia did (and still does) produce a lot.
Goobers were peanuts. I remember my grandfather used to sing a song about goober peas.
When the early Georgia regiments went north to Virginia, a lot of the soldiers were farm boys who ate peanuts. When they got to Virginia, they saw large patches of ground cover (I believe it was clover), which to them looked like what peanut plants looked like, so they would go over and dig them up thinking they were digging up peanuts. This earned them the "goober grabber" nickname.
Posted on 6/24/12 at 7:49 pm to dbt_Geaux_Tigers_196
This is exactly right and I am pretty sure that it was said by Robert E.Lee himself. Someone correct me if im wrong but Im pretty sure it was quoted by Lee. 
Sorry, just wanted to point out the Tar Heel quote as to being North Carolina. Lee , I believe it was who said that the North Carolina boys held their ground like they had tar on their heels.
Sorry, just wanted to point out the Tar Heel quote as to being North Carolina. Lee , I believe it was who said that the North Carolina boys held their ground like they had tar on their heels. This post was edited on 6/24/12 at 7:53 pm
Posted on 6/24/12 at 7:50 pm to theGarnetWay
I enjoy history. Thanks for this. I was also hoping for something a but more awesome than "cow boys" but I shouldn't have expected much else.
Posted on 6/24/12 at 7:50 pm to semotruman
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Maybe not - but people who grow up in Missouri generally hate Kansas. It bleeds over. The teams would always be fired up for those games.
And it's not like the jayhawkers were really "pro-union", they were more "pro-Kansas." They may not have wanted slavery in their state, but neither did they want displaced African-Americans. Those poor folks weren't welcome. Today I'm not sure if there are few African-Americans in Kansas because of that, or the lack of industry there, or just the simple reason - who in their right mind would ever want to live there?
I understand.
My post was pointed more toward the post a bit upthread that said y'all's PLAYERS really hated it.
I find that as likely as those in Oxford MS that claimed when the school took away the Confederate flag and Colonel Reb that the PLAYERS really hated it.
Posted on 6/24/12 at 7:53 pm to TurDuken
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Therefore, I never pull for Kansas in anything.
Posted on 6/24/12 at 7:56 pm to theGarnetWay
As previous posters have stated, thanks for posting this informaion. I love anything to do with the Civil War or as I like to call it the "War of Northern Aggression" just kidding my Yankee friends , dont get your panties in a wad. But anyway , great information and Im enjoying reading all of the posts. This is what makes the summer go by fast waiting for football season.
Posted on 6/24/12 at 8:32 pm to windhammontanatigers
A poster earlier mentioned the collapse of a Kansas City jail that killed several female relatives of Quantrill's men. This was widely thought to be a "straw that broke the camel's back" incident that led to the burning and sacking of Lawrence. It was also widely thought that the jail was deliberately weakened by Union troops, leading to its collapse. The women there, really girls, as many were teenagers, had been jailed for allegedly providing support to the enemy - in other words, sending food to their families.
Bloody Bill Anderson had 3 sisters in that jail. One was killed, and one crushed, leaving her crippled for life; these girls were estimated to be 11 and 14. This incident really affected him and after this his behavior became somewhat psychotic. He laughed while he killed Yankees for sport, fought recklessly, and kept scalps tied to his horse like an Indian. He died close to Columbia, MO at the age of 25 or 26, before the end of the war.
The sacking of Lawrence was viewed by Missourians as justified after the looting, burning, murdering and raping done by troops from kansas. Most of the men who went on that raid had lost family members, homes and property to the jayhawkers. Like I said earlier - some of the most violent acts of the war occurred in Missouri and Kansas.
Bloody Bill Anderson had 3 sisters in that jail. One was killed, and one crushed, leaving her crippled for life; these girls were estimated to be 11 and 14. This incident really affected him and after this his behavior became somewhat psychotic. He laughed while he killed Yankees for sport, fought recklessly, and kept scalps tied to his horse like an Indian. He died close to Columbia, MO at the age of 25 or 26, before the end of the war.
The sacking of Lawrence was viewed by Missourians as justified after the looting, burning, murdering and raping done by troops from kansas. Most of the men who went on that raid had lost family members, homes and property to the jayhawkers. Like I said earlier - some of the most violent acts of the war occurred in Missouri and Kansas.
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