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Posted on 11/16/10 at 1:11 pm to
Posted by sentre1
Covington, La
Member since Nov 2010
61 posts
Posted on 11/16/10 at 1:11 pm to
It's AMAZING to me how naive these AU fans are about their team and organization. They are still thinking this is just a plot to dethrone their perfect season...

WAKE UP! Your university cheated and you are gonna have hell to pay once these sanctions come down. Bama isn't "scared as shite" as I saw an Aubbie fan put it earlier. You should be scared as shite.

The high school down the street is gonna have better football games than your university will for the next 10yrs. You are gonna lose recruiting, and AU will be the "cheaters" to everyone in college sports from now on!
Posted by sentre1
Covington, La
Member since Nov 2010
61 posts
Posted on 11/16/10 at 1:32 pm to
quote:

aeronaut


Dude, not everyone is gonna talk for no reason. It would be one thing if one or two people said something and that was it. But more and more sources are stepping up and have the same stories while they were never connected in any way...

The biggest thing though, is that the FBI is involved, and that's when shite got real. You could MAYBE get away with saying it was all "hearsay" before that, but not now.

Auburn is gonna burn.
This post was edited on 11/16/10 at 1:33 pm
Posted by Hotlanta Tigerbot
Atlanta GA
Member since Oct 2010
1091 posts
Posted on 11/16/10 at 2:15 pm to
i cant find anything that speaks to the SEC or NCAA's authority to 'vacate' wins...yeah, CamN may be declared ineligible, but AU would just plug in the back-up and hope for the best.....does anyone have a link that specifically addresses the idea of the SCHOOL being compelled to vacate wins because of the actions of one of it's (presumably ineligible) players...if Germans Sorry

Posted by bpinson
Ms
Member since May 2010
2668 posts
Posted on 11/16/10 at 4:02 pm to
Interesting USA Today article about AU coerch
LINK
Posted by LOW PROFILE
Member since Nov 2010
52 posts
Posted on 11/16/10 at 4:09 pm to
Well the FBI was interiewing John Bond today. You cannot lie to the FBI. IF Cam or Cecil or interview and Lie to the FBI, you will spend time in Jail If the FBI moves forward.

Just ask Marion Jones ( female sprinter) She lied to the FBI about taking steroids during her interview. She was sent to prison only for the Lieing, Not because she had taken steroids, but because she only lied about not taking them. She is out now and wishes she would have just told the truth. Cam and Cecil will rat out everyone involved if they get interviewed.

Low Pro
Posted by bobbyleewilliams
Tigertown
Member since Feb 2010
8266 posts
Posted on 11/16/10 at 4:27 pm to
Word!
Posted by LarryDavid
Los Angeles
Member since Sep 2010
4207 posts
Posted on 11/16/10 at 5:07 pm to
Tuesday, Nov. 16, 2010, Chris Lowe, ESPN

BOND MEETS WITH FBI IN NEWTON MATTER

The attorney for former Mississippi State quarterback John Bond confirmed that Bond met with the FBI on Tuesday.

Bond is one of two former Mississippi State players who has told ESPN.com that a third former Bulldog, Kenny Rogers, was seeking money last November on behalf of Auburn quarterback Cam Newton's father, Cecil Newton, in exchange for Newton's commitment to Mississippi State. Bill Bell has told ESPN.com that he was also contacted concerning a pay-for-play deal that would have sent Newton to Mississippi State. Bond, Bell and Rogers all played together at Mississippi State in the early 1980s.

"John Bond has been interviewed by a State regulator and by Federal law enforcement. He has fully cooperated with both agencies and has provided them all facts known by him. Due to the ongoing nature of these matters, he cannot comment further about either interview," Bond's attorney, Phil Abernethy, wrote in an e-mail Tuesday.

Both Bond and Bell have already been interviewed by NCAA investigators. Ian Fitzsimmons of ESPN Radio in Dallas reported that Rogers was also meeting with the NCAA on Tuesday. Fitzsimmons interviewed Rogers on his radio show last week, and Rogers said on the show that Cecil Newton wanted between $100,000 and $180,000 for his son to sign with Mississippi State.

Rogers said he didn't know anything about Newton's recruitment to Auburn.

A Footnote (The Link to this is at the top of this thread page): Section 14.01.3.2 "If at any time before or after matriculation in a member institution a student-athlete or any member of his/her family receives or agrees to receive, directly or indirectly, any aid or assistance beyond or in addition to that permitted by the Bylaws of this Conference (except such aid or assistance as such student-athlete may receive from those persons on whom the student is naturally or legally dependent for support), such student- athlete shall be ineligible for competition in any intercollegiate sport within the Conference for the remainder of his/her college career."

From the NCAA Manuel in Section: 10.1 Unethical Conduct

Unethical conduct by a prospective or enrolled student-athlete or a current or former institutional staff member
(e.g., coach, professor, tutor, teaching assistant, student manager, student trainer) may include, but is not limited
to, the following:

(c) Knowing involvement in offering or providing a prospective or an enrolled student-athlete an improper inducement
or extra benefit or improper financial aid;

Violations of 10.1 are enforced as follows:

10.4 Disciplinary Action

Prospective or enrolled student-athletes found in violation of the provisions of this regulation shall be ineligible
for further intercollegiate competition, subject to appeal to the Committee on Student-Athlete Reinstatement for
restoration of eligibility.



ESPN Story
This post was edited on 11/16/10 at 7:12 pm
Posted by LarryDavid
Los Angeles
Member since Sep 2010
4207 posts
Posted on 11/16/10 at 6:30 pm to
You've got to be kidding, it is directly related 17 posts.

Plus: “The solicitation of cash or benefits by either a potential student-athlete or another person on their behalf is not allowed under NCAA rules,” Stacey Osburn, NCAA spokesperson, told the New York Times in reference to this matter.

It's pretty clear-cut, just the solicitation is not allowed. I suggest you purchase and read a NCAA Manual.

I did like the "yadda yadda" defense
This post was edited on 11/16/10 at 7:27 pm
Posted by Ancientiger
WADE, MS
Member since Feb 2006
1214 posts
Posted on 11/16/10 at 8:09 pm to
I admire you AU fans. It's you against the world. Most of you are too young to remember the ultra severe penalties levied against Au burn back in the last half of the 20th century. When the flames come lickin up around your mouths, you'll still be screaming to the world, "We're clean, we haven't done nuthing!" Then, you'll disappear for a decade. You might wind up like SMU!
Posted by 2poop
bama
Member since Sep 2009
4562 posts
Posted on 11/16/10 at 8:10 pm to
Auburn = Fried Turd
Posted by OPR
NOLA
Member since Sep 2009
2606 posts
Posted on 11/16/10 at 10:22 pm to
quote:


I presume you know that the baseless allegations at this time are of Cecil "soliciting". This section is about "agreeing to receive yadda yadda..."



Yeah, this is fact and I'm not sure why some of you are not able to recognize it. Auburn is in no danger here, unless someone can prove, in court that AU paid Cam or a member of his family for his commitment.


It breaks down like this. If I'm a 5* recruit and I'm trying to decide between LSU and Bama. I'm doing it right, and just waiting until the last minute to make a tough decision. However, my crackhead cousin decides to frick with me behind me back and calls a booster from Bama demanding 100K or I'll play for LSU. Bama pays out for fear the other will steal me, and the cousin hops a plane to Brazil. I commit to LSU the next week, WITH ZERO KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT MY CRACKHEAD COUSIN DID, and Bama turns me/my cousin in to the NCAA and the SEC.

Now I ask you, is that my fault? Because until someone can prove that Cam had any knowledge of a single thing going on behind the scenes, it's all moot.

Now, I believe that a booster from AU actually DID pay Cams dad for his commitment. I also believe that Cam knew WHY his father made him go to AU. But, as I've stated, unless there's proof (and we're talking about more than an un-named source telling ESPN that he received an upset phone call from Cam claiming "the money was right") it won't amount to anything for AU and at the most, a suspension for Cam, who is going pro anyway.

All in all, the state of Ala-frickin-bama gets away with another one...
Posted by Buck Magnum
Springdale
Member since Dec 2003
11613 posts
Posted on 11/16/10 at 10:41 pm to
I let my dad decide everything for me too! He never tells me anything except go to work. If any auburn fan believes that cam newton is innocent, probably think OJ ran from the police for the hell of it!
This post was edited on 11/16/10 at 10:43 pm
Posted by manwich
You've wanted my
Member since Oct 2008
52601 posts
Posted on 11/16/10 at 11:50 pm to
quote:

the hell are you doing in this psych ward?
just spectating. It's like watching a trailer park riot
Posted by LarryDavid
Los Angeles
Member since Sep 2010
4207 posts
Posted on 11/17/10 at 6:13 am to
quote:

Were you expecting Osburn to say something different?


What kind of defense is that? Hope you don't represent your school. You should change your name to oneironaut because you surely are a person who explores dream worlds, usually associated with lucid dreaming. We all know what solicitation means. Really, if you believe this kid went to Auburn for free, you better not come out of your room because you aren't going to make it very far without being taken for everything your mommy and daddy own. I'm taking this case where it needs to go. And if you think things are eliminated now, more or less that he shouldn't be caught because you're an Auburn fan, then that's just sad. Even if Auburn gets off with nothing, everybody knows he's guilty. Enjoy your Barry Bonds worship. Have yourself some OJ (it helps for lucid dream states). Sweet dreams.
Posted by RealityTiger
Geismar, LA
Member since Jan 2010
20443 posts
Posted on 11/17/10 at 6:33 am to
You do realize that Cam's father being paid is the same as Newton being paid (as far as the NCAA is concerned)?

quote:

It breaks down like this...


If you really think that analogy is anything close to what happened with Cam Newton and his dad, then you are a truly, truly naiive person.

Cecil is not a crackhead. He's a preacher. He and Cam knew what was going on the whole time.
Posted by michaeldwde
N.C.
Member since Nov 2010
3186 posts
Posted on 11/17/10 at 6:40 am to
I wouldn't necessarily expect an Alabama fan to care about accuracy, but just in case you weren't completely biased, I thought you might want to know about a slight inconsistency I found in your timeline:

quote:

Nov 4th, Bond releases statement “During the 2009 football season, I was contacted by a former football teammate, who
represented to me that he was speaking for the Newton camp. He told me that Cam Newton wanted to play at Mississippi State, but that a specified payment would have to be made. I reported the conversation to the Mississippi State Ath letic Department. I was told by the Athletic Department that Mississippi State would not respond to the overture that was made to me, and that Mississippi State would continue to recruit Cam Newton as it does any other football recruit.”

• MSU: "We are comfortable that representatives of Mississippi State University's interests conducted themselves appropriately and in compliance with all NCAA by-laws. Mississippi State is committed to operating our athletics programs within the rules of the NCAA and Southeastern Conference, and we expect those affiliated with our program to continue to do the same." • Cecil Newton, the quarterback's father, denied the allegations to ESPN.com. "If Rogers tried to solicit money from Mississippi State, he did it on his own, without our knowledge," he told the website.

• Chizik: "I'm standing up here on a very important week trying to defend something that quite frankly is garbage," Chizik told reporters. "Is there a wizard behind the curtain? I don't know. Is there one, is there two, are there 10? I don't know and I don't care. But what I do care about is coming to the defense of not only a great football player but a great human being who comes from a great family."

Nov 8th, Foxsports.com reports that Newton was caught cheating three times at Florida.

Gene Chizik called the Foxsports.com reports of cheating garbage at a press conference on Nov. 8... You have him saying them on Nov. 4.
Posted by northLAgoomba
The Cooper Road, Ratchet City, LA
Member since Nov 2009
3790 posts
Posted on 11/17/10 at 8:00 am to
quote:

It breaks down like this. If I'm a 5* recruit and I'm trying to decide between LSU and Bama. I'm doing it right, and just waiting until the last minute to make a tough decision. However, my crackhead cousin decides to frick with me behind me back and calls a booster from Bama demanding 100K or I'll play for LSU. Bama pays out for fear the other will steal me, and the cousin hops a plane to Brazil. I commit to LSU the next week, WITH ZERO KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT MY CRACKHEAD COUSIN DID, and Bama turns me/my cousin in to the NCAA and the SEC.

Now I ask you, is that my fault? Because until someone can prove that Cam had any knowledge of a single thing going on behind the scenes, it's all moot.


Your hypothetical is not even in the same ballpark as the Cam Newton situation. Cam has admitted in more than one interview that Rev. Cecil alone made the decision that Cam would go to Auburn, which circumstantially (given what we know about Cecil's solicitation from MSU) appears that Rev. Cecil got something from Auburn in exchange for delivering Cam.

I would think that Auburn's best argument would have been if Cam signed with Auburn against his father's wishes. Then it would appear that Cecil got nothing from Auburn.

All this circumstantial evidence against Auburn is probably not enough to penalize them. To me, the smoking gun against Auburn is the alleged tape (where Cam states Auburn paid more). Unless the tape or some other direct evidence of payment or solicitation by Cam and/or Cecil emerges, Auburn is in the clear.
Posted by StarkvilleTigerFan
Muncie, IN
Member since Jan 2005
3939 posts
Posted on 11/17/10 at 9:03 am to
First-Bama would not say anything because they did the wrong thing and paid. 2nd-according to the rules, if your crackhead uncle called and solicited benefits on your behalf with or without your knowlege, you would be ineligible. That may suck but thats the rule.
If the rule stated it was okay as long as the athlete wasn't aware, it would be a much larger issue because much more solicitation of benefits would occur because "its okay as long as he didn't know"
Posted by Templars
Member since Oct 2005
2970 posts
Posted on 11/17/10 at 9:38 am to
Do you really think that the son had no clue what the father was doing?

I think most reasonable people would think otherwise.

That said, it might be refreshing to admit we all want Auburn's season to go down in flames over this before the SEC title game, because we want to be 12 - 0 and headed to Atlanta instead.

That doesn't mean we are wrong to want this or that Auburn should not pay the price - but every school has this sort of thing going on to some extent.

The only times these things come out is when people can't keep quiet, or the circumstances are so brazen, such as has occurred with the father here.
Posted by LOW PROFILE
Member since Nov 2010
52 posts
Posted on 11/17/10 at 9:51 am to
Guys is very easy! When Cam spoke to the Miss state coach and stated in a upset voice ( Crying) that he is sorry he cannot attend Miss st, because the "money" is just to much to turn down. Well Auburn had to be giving that money! IF its proven, then Auburn is in Big trouble.

If this conversation was recorded and I think it was and now the FBI has the recordings in their possession, then when they interview CAm or Cecil and they lie about the conversation Then Auburn is in more trouble.

I am sure John Bond was upset that Cam was going to turn them down and had that Recorder ready and taping the whole conversation with CAm. He knew he could use whatever Cam stated on the tape to put Auburn in a lot of trouble.

Low PRo.
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