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re: Board historians, who was the 1964 college football national champion?
Posted on 11/18/15 at 2:20 pm to Boomer00
Posted on 11/18/15 at 2:20 pm to Boomer00
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41, 64, 73, and 78
1941 is a joke and should be removed
1964 is an AP and Coaches Poll Title
1973 is a Coaches Poll Title, but it's not AP so I am fine excluding it
1978 is an AP Title
Either we go with the AP method or we don't
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Posted on 11/18/15 at 2:22 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Yea but USC claims that title too and they BEAT Alabama that year. Sure the coaches and AP could have different opinions but a loss to USC by bama should give USC the title. And yes OU has 17 titles and at least 12 should be claimed.
This post was edited on 11/18/15 at 2:24 pm
Posted on 11/18/15 at 2:23 pm to Boomer00
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You do realize OU has 17 NCAA recognized titles by the same math Alabama uses, yet they only claim 7 right? Bama should at the MOST claim 9. That's it.
What site are you using for that? I don't see 17...on the NCAA page listing recognized FBS College Football Champions, Oklahoma is listed 7 times and Bama is listed 13 times:
NCAA FBS Football Championship History
Either way one of the seven that OU claims is '50...and, just like Bama in '64, y'all were awarded both the AP and Coaches Poll before your bowl game, lost your bowl game, and still claim that year as a championship...everyone acts like Bama's the only one to claim those but we're not...
Posted on 11/18/15 at 2:24 pm to Boomer00
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Yea but USC claims that title too and they BEAT Alabama that year
And they also lost to a 9-3 Arizona State team.
Again, the AP voted Alabama the champions. Not some computer poll in 2006, the media in 1978.
Posted on 11/18/15 at 2:28 pm to LSUTigersVCURams
The takeaway is despite people pinning for the good old days the system to award national titles prior to the BCS sucked worse than a freshman sorority pledge.
Posted on 11/18/15 at 2:28 pm to Boomer00
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Yea but USC claims that title too and they BEAT Alabama that year. Sure the coaches and AP could have different opinions but a loss to USC by bama should give USC the title
Keep in mind that had Miami beaten Tennessee in the 1986 Sugar Bowl (1985 regular season),Oklahoma would have been National Champion even though the Hurricanes won in Norman,27-14. Penn St was #1,OU #2 and Miami #3 before the bowls.
Posted on 11/18/15 at 2:29 pm to OldPete
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everyone acts like Bama's the only one to claim those but we're not...
Yea, that is really stupid. Hell, Notre Dame wouldn't even play in Bowl Games.
- 1965 Michigan State won the coaches poll, lost to UCLA in the Rose Bowl
- 1966 Michigan State and Notre Dame didn't even play in a bowl game
- 1970 Texas won the coaches poll, lost to Notre Dame in the Cotton Bowl
Posted on 11/18/15 at 2:31 pm to SummerOfGeorge
My opinion is, if either the Coaches of AP poll voted you the national champion, you are totally cool claiming a national title. I am also totally fine claiming the pre-1940 titles in the Rose Bowl.
That is why 1941 pisses me off so much. Every other title we claim is very defensible. 1941 is a total joke.
That is why 1941 pisses me off so much. Every other title we claim is very defensible. 1941 is a total joke.
Posted on 11/18/15 at 2:32 pm to SummerOfGeorge
OU should have the 7 claimed titles
PLUS:
53
57
67
73(share)
78(share)
PLUS:
53
57
67
73(share)
78(share)
Posted on 11/18/15 at 2:34 pm to Boomer00
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53 - Berryman, Football Research (#5 in Coaches, #4 in AP)
57 - Berryman (#4 in AP/Coaches)
67 - Poling (#3 in AP/Coaches)
73 - DeVold, Dunkel, FR, Sagarain (#2 in Coaches, #3 in AP)
78 - DeVold, Dunkel, Helms, Litkenhous, Matthews, Poling, Sagarin (#3 in AP/Coaches)
I mean, do whatever you want, but those are pretty flimsy.
Also notice you are totally cool keeping 1950 even though you lost to Kentucky in the Bowl Game.
This post was edited on 11/18/15 at 2:37 pm
Posted on 11/18/15 at 2:35 pm to Boomer00
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Yea but USC claims that title too and they BEAT Alabama that year. Sure the coaches and AP could have different opinions but a loss to USC by bama should give USC the title.
Yeah it was a split title that year. USC beat us at home that year, but then later fell in the polls when they lost to an unranked Arizona State. Both polls had Bama #2 before the bowl game...we beat #1 Penn State, winning the AP poll...#3 USC beat #4 Michigan and won the UPI/Coaches poll.
While I think the split national championship was fair that year, I wonder why the UPI had us at #2 before the bowls instead of USC...1st time I've heard of a bowl game with the unanimous #1 team in a showdown vs. the unanimous #2 team, yet the winner gets leapfrogged by another team...
Posted on 11/18/15 at 2:36 pm to SummerOfGeorge
I agree those are a bit flimsy but they are of the same criteria that Bama claims on other titles. Basically if you look closely OU should claim 10-12 and bama should claim 9-11. bama claiming 14 is nonsense and if OU claimed all 17 that would be nonsense.
This post was edited on 11/18/15 at 2:36 pm
Posted on 11/18/15 at 2:37 pm to Boomer00
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I agree those are a bit flimsy but they are of the same criteria that Bama claims on other titles
No, they really aren't. 13 of Alabama's 15 national titles are either (a) AP/Coaches national titles, the gold standard for those things or (b) Undefeated Rose Bowl Champions pre-1940
1941 is a joke (already established)
If we claimed titles the way you'd like to with some of those we would add 4-5 in the 60's and 70's.
Posted on 11/18/15 at 2:38 pm to Boomer00
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Ok maybe its AP and coaches titles that they have 17 of.
Wrong again.
Alabama has more titles than OU no matter which way you count them.
Posted on 11/18/15 at 2:38 pm to cardboardboxer
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The takeaway is despite people pining for the good old days the system to award national titles prior to the BCS sucked worse than a freshman sorority pledge.
Amen. Despite all the crap the BCS got, it (and the BCA before it) was light years better than the bowl systems. The BCS wasn't perfect, but I think it got it right much more than wrong...
Posted on 11/18/15 at 2:39 pm to Boomer00
Wait, why would OU share '73 and '78 but get '53, '57, and '67 outright?
Posted on 11/18/15 at 2:41 pm to bamawriter
The funny thing is I wouldn't even care if we stopped specifically talking about all our titles-pre Saban and just referred to being awesome in the past in general.
I think the fact that we double anyone else in SEC Titles an have won 4 undisputed national titles in the last 25 years is more than enough for me to hang my hat on (in addition to the 5 SEC Titles, hopefully soon to be 6 in the Last 25 years).
I think the fact that we double anyone else in SEC Titles an have won 4 undisputed national titles in the last 25 years is more than enough for me to hang my hat on (in addition to the 5 SEC Titles, hopefully soon to be 6 in the Last 25 years).
Posted on 11/18/15 at 2:42 pm to OldPete
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While I think the split national championship was fair that year, I wonder why the UPI had us at #2 before the bowls instead of USC.
It's amazing that the Coaches thought that, despite Bama losing to USC, Bama was better than USC until Bama beat the undisputed #1 team in the country. Only then did Bama fall behind USC.
Posted on 11/18/15 at 2:44 pm to bamawriter
So after reading up on some of these I think bama should only exclude 41, 73, and 78. Some of the others bama and OU claim after bowl losses...So Id refine what I said to OU claiming 9 and bama claiming 12.
This post was edited on 11/18/15 at 2:45 pm
Posted on 11/18/15 at 2:45 pm to Boomer00
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73, and 78
We won the AP in 1978 and the Coaches in 1973. Basically the equivalent of saying LSU should give up 2004 and Nebraska should give up 1997. You claim titles given to you by the AP or the Coaches Poll. It is what everyone does.
This post was edited on 11/18/15 at 2:46 pm
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