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Posted on 6/4/15 at 9:10 am to Draconian Sanctions
Posted on 6/4/15 at 9:10 am to Draconian Sanctions
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Alabama is not any more special in this regard than other big schools. You've just lucked into better coaches over the years than anyone else.
Yeah becuase Alabama's program and its commitment to winning has nothing to do with it...it's just all down to pure luck...That is why Bryant left A&M to come to Bama....that is why Saban left the NFL to return to the college ranks and picked Bama...
That is like saying the New York Yankees titles are all just down to luck...there is no difference between the Yankees and other clubs.
This post was edited on 6/4/15 at 9:38 am
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Posted on 6/4/15 at 9:35 am to Draconian Sanctions
quote:Thomas, Wade, Bryant and Saban. That's a helluva lot of luck!
Alabama is not any more special in this regard than other big schools. You've just lucked into better coaches over the years than anyone else.
Posted on 6/4/15 at 9:38 am to coachcrisp
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Thomas, Wade, Bryant and Saban. That's a helluva lot of luck!
Don't forget Stallings
Posted on 6/4/15 at 9:41 am to Rabern57
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threw in
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has came
All auburn fans graduated from Auburn. "Family."
This post was edited on 6/4/15 at 9:45 am
Posted on 6/4/15 at 9:42 am to 14&Counting
Stallings was a fine coach/man, but the others are considered icons of college football coaching.
Posted on 6/4/15 at 9:44 am to 14&Counting
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Don't forget Stallings
Meh, he only won 1 natty and 71% of his games.
Multiple titles and >80% are the standard around here.....
Posted on 6/4/15 at 9:50 am to Draconian Sanctions
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You're really going to say Bama would be where they are right now if Drew Brees goes to Miami instead of New Orleans? If you do you're completely delusional.
Doesn't this go against the rant theme of Saban being unable to cut it in the NFL? I've always heard he would've failed no matter who Miami signed as QB.
Posted on 6/4/15 at 10:03 am to 14&Counting
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Yeah becuase Alabama's program and its commitment to winning has nothing to do with it...it's just all down to pure luck.
Go back and read my original post on the subject. I'm not at all saying that bama would be Mississippi State without those guys, and obviously Alabama has a great culture that helps. The point though is that this culture is not unique to Alabama and there are 10-12 other schools that have tremendous cultures of support as well. Alabama is not any more unique in that regard than any other major school. The only reason bama has had more success than say Georgia is because you've been in the right place at the right time with a number of all time great coaches
This post was edited on 6/4/15 at 10:21 am
Posted on 6/4/15 at 10:23 am to Draconian Sanctions
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Go back and read my original post on the subject. I'm not at all saying that bama would be Mississippi State within those guys, and obviously Alabama has a great culture that helps. The point though is that this culture is not unique to Alabama and there are 10-12 other schools that have tremendous cultures of support as well.
Maybe but no one has put it together as well as Bama has and that is a fact. Bama's has had tremendous success in every era of the game going back to the leather helmut days. That doesn't happen in a vaccum. Look at Notre Dame. They have a tremendous culture of support and how are they doing?
Posted on 6/4/15 at 10:58 am to Dawgsontop34
I agree. That first hire will be very important however, to maintaining top five status. Do people think Smart will get a shot?
Posted on 6/4/15 at 11:07 am to higgs_boson
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Do people think Smart will get a shot?
This is a big question. I lean towards no, but the longer he sticks around the more I wonder. In the end I just don't see Alabama promoting an assistant and hiring a first time head coach. I just don't think they would do that (again).
I think Alabama is going to try the throw a shite ton of money and keys to the program to a big name coach approach again since it worked so well this time. Who that will be is impossible to tell right now because I think we are still about 5 years away from that so who knows who the top guys will be.
Posted on 6/4/15 at 11:10 am to elposter
Bama will never promote an assistant again. That job is too demanding and too high profile.
And Jimbo will be the next coach. Heard it from more than one person. Played at Samford, wife from Central Alabama area. Loves the state, former Saban asst and national title winner, same offensive philosophy. Just the perfect fit. It's gonna cost Bama but they will pay whatever. In 10 years it will make Sabans contract look like pocket money.
And Jimbo will be the next coach. Heard it from more than one person. Played at Samford, wife from Central Alabama area. Loves the state, former Saban asst and national title winner, same offensive philosophy. Just the perfect fit. It's gonna cost Bama but they will pay whatever. In 10 years it will make Sabans contract look like pocket money.
Posted on 6/4/15 at 11:12 am to higgs_boson
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Do people think Smart will get a shot?
I've been back and forth on this idea. On one hand, there wouldn't be much of a transition. He knows the program better than anyone, is young, and has proven himself as a pretty good coach/recruiter who knows how cutthroat the SEC is.
On the other hand, being the head coach at Alabama isn't a place where one can simply learn on the job. A good coach could get eaten alive. Its one thing being an assistant, its another thing being the man. If Alabama wants to maintain itself as a top program, is hiring an unproven assistant the best course of action? Would we hire Kirby Smart if he wasn't working for us already?
Ideally, I'd want him to go cut his teeth somewhere for a few years. Prove he could be the head man and then hire him as a HC.
As for this notion that Alabama isn't as special as anywhere else, I think history has proven that there is something that allows Alabama (and some other schools) to have a more success than most others. Not saying anyone could coach at Alabama to titles nor am I denying that luck/timing isn't a factor. I'm also not saying other schools can't have that kind of success but its obvious that Alabama has combination of commitment, passion, tradition, and resources that most other schools don't have. Alabama fans also have pretty lofty expectations which at times are unreasonable but it also helps set a standard. I wouldn't say Kentucky in basketball is "lucky" to have gotten Rupp, Pitino, Smith, and Calipari.
This post was edited on 6/4/15 at 11:14 am
Posted on 6/4/15 at 11:15 am to Roses of Crimson
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And Jimbo will be the next coach.
That would be my guess at this point. He's only 49 so he fits in that age group that could be candidates. Some other guys I've seen as possibilities are going to be getting up there in age in a few years.
Posted on 6/4/15 at 11:23 am to elposter
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That would be my guess at this point. He's only 49 so he fits in that age group that could be candidates. Some other guys I've seen as possibilities are going to be getting up there in age in a few years.
Jimbo was always my #1 choice but given that the Jameis stuff, it would just give me a dirty feeling. I like coaches who stand up for their players but the way he handled it just rubbed me the wrong way. That said, if Alabama offered him a big amount and FSU countered with something in the same ballpark, I don't see him leaving. Much easier path to winning at FSU.
Posted on 6/4/15 at 11:27 am to FairhopeTider
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Jimbo was always my #1 choice but given that the Jameis stuff, it would just give me a dirty feeling. I like coaches who stand up for their players but the way he handled it just rubbed me the wrong way.
I feel the same, but a few years from now (and hopefully a little maturation on his part) and that will just be a little blip that I could get over. Kind of like how I got over Saban stepping on the stomach of that Dolphin player that was having a seizure or when Saban murdered all those puppies at LSU.
Posted on 6/4/15 at 11:28 am to FairhopeTider
Why would Jimbo Fisher leave Tallahassee for Tuscaloosa? FSU is a shark in a sea of tuna that calls itself the ACC. Clemson is their only consistent competition year in and year out. Would you leave a situation where you are guaranteed 10-11 wins without breaking a sweat every season?
Posted on 6/4/15 at 11:33 am to JesusQuintana
It'll be Kiffie reprising his performance at his dream school - no, not UT, but - USC - he sucked
Posted on 6/4/15 at 11:41 am to RollTide1987
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Why would Jimbo Fisher leave Tallahassee for Tuscaloosa? FSU is a shark in a sea of tuna that calls itself the ACC. Clemson is their only consistent competition year in and year out. Would you leave a situation where you are guaranteed 10-11 wins without breaking a sweat every season?
That's a fair question. I guess it just depends on your personality to some degree. The SEC is the preeminent conference in college football. The ACC has fallen pretty far behind. If the ACC doesn't improve in football, some coaches may go after the challenge of playing in the best conference against more top coaches. To your point, some might avoid that. FSU is certainly one of the best jobs in college football but Alabama is still a blue blood. I don't know much about FSU's stomach and pockets to wage battle in the facilities war? The SEC Network is going to continue to help SEC teams separate themselves from schools in the ACC in this regard.
Posted on 6/4/15 at 12:06 pm to Roses of Crimson
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And Jimbo will be the next coach. H
Oh let this be true. In the SEC Jimbo Fisher would get exposed as the chromosome deficient moron he is. Mike Dubose 2.0
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