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Posted on 6/3/15 at 9:16 am to WorkinDawg
Posted on 6/3/15 at 9:16 am to WorkinDawg
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History tells us that bama will not keep it rolling.
Recent history tells us that. But mistakes were made post-Bryant and post-Stallings that hopefully won't be repeated. Rumor was Bryant wanted Stallings as his successor upon his retirement after the 1982 season. Instead we hired Perkins. Stallings would go on to lead us to glory in the 1990s. Perkins would go on to bring us good, but not great, seasons. After Perkins left in 1986, Alabama had Bobby Bowden in the palm of their hand. Tuscaloosa had always been Bowden's dream destination and he wanted the job BADLY. But the powers that be botched the whole thing and we ended up with Bill Curry. Again. A good but not great hire. He won us the SEC but bolted because he couldn't beat Auburn.
After Stallings announced his retirement in November 1996, the administration caved into the good-ol'-boy network and hired DuBose. He had been with the program since he was a player in the 70s and everyone wanted to give him a shot because they figured he'd earned it. This turned out to be one of the worst decisions in the history of the Alabama football program. He was a mediocre coach who brought Alabama very limited success. What he is remembered for the most is the 2000 season, the affair he had with his secretary in the summer of 1999, and the Albert Means scandal which brought unprecedented NCAA sanctions down upon the program.
We really couldn't hire anyone of substance after that little debacle.
This post was edited on 6/3/15 at 9:20 am
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Posted on 6/3/15 at 9:20 am to Nissanmaxima
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It is really mind blowing that The U is having so much trouble regrouping. Talk about waking the sleeping giant and that will happen at some point.
Its not that hard to figure out. No on-campus stadium. No real fan base except for when they're winning. Also they have two legitimate, big time competing programs within the state along with some quality secondary programs.
Posted on 6/3/15 at 9:25 am to therick711
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They will hire their Ron Zook before they try and find their Urban Meyer.
Honestly, that isn't the worst approach. Its tough to fill a legend's shoes and a lot of times those with big egos don't want to follow someone that is/was an icon. Transitions from legendary coaches to another successful coach are rarely seemless. Bring in someone who is a warm body for a few years, then fire him and go all out for the home run hire when the timing is perfect.
Of course only ADs with solid job security can make moves like that.
This post was edited on 6/3/15 at 9:26 am
Posted on 6/3/15 at 9:27 am to therick711
Hopefully Bama will learn from the mistakes they made after Bryant retired. It is tough situation coming in behind the GOAT that was Bear Brynat. It will be very difficult to follow the modern day GOAT in Saban. After Bryant passed, you had the issue of the good ol' boy booster network all inserting themselves into the program thinking they knew what was best. You also had the issue of the chancellor at that time (Joab Thomas) who wanted to de-empahisze football. A bad combination to be sure and the booster issue came back to bite us in the Albert Means situation.
Bama issues tho in the post-Bryant era were attributable more or less to just bad hires:
Instead of getting Stallings originally we hired Ray Perkins
Instead of hiring Bobby Bowden we hired Bill Curry.
Then we hired or promoted Dubose which was the biggest disaster ever. The 10-years Bama spent in the widerness are directly attributable to that decision.
If we hire the right guy everything will take care of itself. Had we hired the right guy back in the 80's we would likely have 2-3 more NC's than we do now.
Bama issues tho in the post-Bryant era were attributable more or less to just bad hires:
Instead of getting Stallings originally we hired Ray Perkins
Instead of hiring Bobby Bowden we hired Bill Curry.
Then we hired or promoted Dubose which was the biggest disaster ever. The 10-years Bama spent in the widerness are directly attributable to that decision.
If we hire the right guy everything will take care of itself. Had we hired the right guy back in the 80's we would likely have 2-3 more NC's than we do now.
This post was edited on 6/3/15 at 9:29 am
Posted on 6/3/15 at 9:37 am to JesusQuintana
Nobody knows. As has been stated a lot will depend on the hire they make.
Alabama was probably a top 5 program all time before Saban though, so it's not like they haven't done it without Saban before.
Take away Saban's 3 SEC Championships at Bama and Alabama still has 21 SEC Championships, the most by a very wide margin (was 8 more than the next best - Tennessee).
Take away Saban's 3 National Championships at Bama and Alabama still has considerably more than any other SEC team.
Alabama's winning percentage before Saban was the best in the SEC.
Before Saban Alabama had a comfortable winning record over every SEC team.
Alabama has been the best team in the SEC during Saban's tenure and Alabama was the best SEC team historically before Saban's tenure.
The more things change, the more they stay the same in this case.
Alabama was probably a top 5 program all time before Saban though, so it's not like they haven't done it without Saban before.
Take away Saban's 3 SEC Championships at Bama and Alabama still has 21 SEC Championships, the most by a very wide margin (was 8 more than the next best - Tennessee).
Take away Saban's 3 National Championships at Bama and Alabama still has considerably more than any other SEC team.
Alabama's winning percentage before Saban was the best in the SEC.
Before Saban Alabama had a comfortable winning record over every SEC team.
Alabama has been the best team in the SEC during Saban's tenure and Alabama was the best SEC team historically before Saban's tenure.
The more things change, the more they stay the same in this case.
Posted on 6/3/15 at 10:15 am to FairhopeTider
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Its not that hard to figure out. No on-campus stadium. No real fan base except for when they're winning. Also they have two legitimate, big time competing programs within the state along with some quality secondary programs.
Yeah great points no doubt. The lacking of those things can be crippling to a college football program. Plus is not Miami a small school in comparison to the others?
Posted on 6/3/15 at 11:42 am to JesusQuintana
They'll make a good hire (or do what it takes to get a good hire). I do think it'll be the end of the Alabama reign however. For a little while at least. They may make a crack at it here and there, but it won't be to that level. I just can't see a new Alabama coach making the run that Saban did. You'll start seeing other schools (Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State, Oregon, Baylor, Georgia, FSU, etc) make runs now that Alabama is out of the way.
This post was edited on 6/3/15 at 11:53 am
Posted on 6/3/15 at 11:53 am to LSUbase13
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I just can't see a new Alabama coach making the run that Saban did
Hell Saban can't make the run that Saban has
Posted on 6/3/15 at 11:59 am to RollTide1987
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Tuscaloosa had always been Bowden's dream destination and he wanted the job BADLY.
Bowden told bama no thanks when bama told him he would have to come to Tuscaloosa and interview for the job with an understanding that he was the leading candidate.
The job was Bowden's if he wanted it. All he had to do was interview. He felt that was an insult and said no thanks. I'm not sure how "BADLY" he wanted it as that was all it took for him to say no thanks to bama.
Posted on 6/3/15 at 12:03 pm to FairhopeTider
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It is really mind blowing that The U is having so much trouble regrouping. Talk about waking the sleeping giant and that will happen at some point.
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Its not that hard to figure out. No on-campus stadium. No real fan base except for when they're winning. Also they have two legitimate, big time competing programs within the state along with some quality secondary programs.
All true. However, the biggest factor is the administration is not committed to football. Have to remember, Miami is a relatively small private university with excellent academics and extremely expense. The Miami power brokers just are not all that interested in whether they have a power house football team. It isn't what Miami is as a university. I don't think the U is ever going to reawaken unless the administration has a change in heart. If they do the U will rise FAST with all the local talent.
Posted on 6/3/15 at 12:08 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
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I'm not sure how "BADLY" he wanted it as that was all it took for him to say no thanks to bama.
He would have taken it had the job been offered to him. He has said this on numerous occasions. His dream job had always been to coach at Alabama. The man was born and raised in Birmingham and he grew up an Alabama fan. His pride, however, prevented him from standing in a line to interview for said job because his accomplishments should have (at least in his mind) spoken for themselves. He had taken FSU from relative obscurity and had turned them into a consistent winner. The very next year, 1987, they would start on that legendary run of 14 straight Top Five finishes.
Posted on 6/3/15 at 12:12 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
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The job was Bowden's if he wanted it. All he had to do was interview. He felt that was an insult and said no thanks. I'm not sure how "BADLY" he wanted it as that was all it took for him to say no thanks to bama.
He definetely wanted it and would have taken it IF it was offered. He has expressed that many times. That is Bowden's side of the story. Really the issue was Joab Thomas and he wanted to de-emphasize football at Bama...or at least reign it in somewhat.....Thomas wanted Bill Curry and he was his guy...Curry was a good guy and a decent coach but just a bad fit....being 0-3 against Dye didn't help hime. He was 3-0 against Paterno and Penn State in their prime but couldn't get past Auburn.
Posted on 6/3/15 at 12:12 pm to RollTide1987
Yeah, I agree with all of that. Pride on both sides prevented the "marriage" at the end of the day. Bowden was right, him having to interview was ridiculous. He should have been begged to take it. Like Saban. No fricking way Saban would have agreed to fly to Tuscaloosa to interview. At the same time though, if Bowden wanted it bad enough, he could have swallowed his pride just a little bit. Bama did pretty much let him know the interview was pretty much a formality.
Posted on 6/3/15 at 12:13 pm to 14&Counting
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He definetely wanted it and would have taken it IF it was offered. He has expressed that many times. That is Bowden's side of the story. Really the issue was Joab Thomas and he wanted to de-emphasize football at Bama...or at least reign it in somewhat.....Thomas wanted Bill Curry and he was his guy...Curry was a good guy and a decent coach but just a bad fit....being 0-3 against Dye didn't help hime. He was 3-0 against Paterno and Penn State in their prime but couldn't get past Auburn.
Didn't know about Joab Thomas. I have heard Bowden's side of the story a few times. He used to be on the LeBatard local radio show often and he has told his side several times over the years.
Posted on 6/3/15 at 1:34 pm to LSUbase13
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They'll make a good hire (or do what it takes to get a good hire). I do think it'll be the end of the Alabama reign however.
Yeah, you're probably right. Kinda like everyone in Florida while I was growing up, who said Bama's program wouldn't be an elite program again.
Your song was played on repeat for most of my life.
Posted on 6/3/15 at 1:35 pm to CCTider
Hire Bobby Bowden finally
Posted on 6/3/15 at 1:50 pm to Silverback
quote:This. There's very little joy and happiness to be had in the off-season...But we can always look forward to a thread or two a week like this one. To the OP >>>
I love that other SEC fans continually try to wish Saban away.
Posted on 6/3/15 at 2:24 pm to Pavoloco83
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If Bama hires Dildo Sweeney I will fap so hard my dick will fall off.
Review of post:
auNeck mentions a dildo, his dick, and Bama as he attempts to relate to us some sort of weird hick sexual ritual that apparently revolves around the Crimson Tide.
My message to college football fans that may not be familiar with the auNecks--- be afraid, be cautious around them, and always, always watch your back, iykwimaityd.
Posted on 6/3/15 at 2:42 pm to JesusQuintana
Here is a point I haven't seen brought up which will be critical for bama post-saban.
Saban is very much a micromanager and controls pretty much all aspects of the football program (and even some of the media, etc.) in the state. when he goes away, there is going to be a HUGE power vaccum created and what and who fills that is going to make a difference. It will be tough to find a coach who will fill that whole power vacuum that Saban leaves and what happens to the rest will matter a lot.
As a case in point to what happens when a huge micromanger leaves, look at Arkansas after Petrino. Yes he left under odd circumstances, but he is also the type that left a large power vaccuum when he left.
Saban is very much a micromanager and controls pretty much all aspects of the football program (and even some of the media, etc.) in the state. when he goes away, there is going to be a HUGE power vaccum created and what and who fills that is going to make a difference. It will be tough to find a coach who will fill that whole power vacuum that Saban leaves and what happens to the rest will matter a lot.
As a case in point to what happens when a huge micromanger leaves, look at Arkansas after Petrino. Yes he left under odd circumstances, but he is also the type that left a large power vaccuum when he left.
Posted on 6/3/15 at 2:49 pm to BowlJackson
quote:You got another hard on for Jeremy Pruitt? WTF?
The good ole' boy network will take back over and they will hire a "Bama Man" like Dabo Swinney or Jeremy Pruitt and by the time the last Saban players are gone they will be right back where they were under Shula. Then they'll fire their Bama Man and hire the hottest name in CFB coaching and go another run.
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