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re: At Auburn, athletics and academics collide
Posted on 8/27/15 at 8:36 am to bamasgot13
Posted on 8/27/15 at 8:36 am to bamasgot13
SACS approved AIU's accreditation. I'm not excusing some activity of the Auburn AD or boosters, but that just shows how fricking absurd the probation was for AU.
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Posted on 8/27/15 at 8:39 am to bamasgot13
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It is odd though that this Athletic Department influence on academics was going on again given that SACS just recently reaffirmed AU's accreditation.
not sure whats odd about it. And it kind of shows that everything was above board if SACS was reaffirming at the same time. Getting reaffirmed isnt anything related to the past issues, its status quo for schools
Posted on 8/27/15 at 8:53 am to JustGetItRight
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I guess I'm supposed to be outraged? Maybe, but I really need someone to tell me why.
Outraged? Nah, Auburn is just playing the game like everybody else. It's shady but it's not exclusive to Auburn by any means.
Posted on 8/27/15 at 9:01 am to NYCAuburn
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Getting reaffirmed isnt anything related to the past issues, its status quo for schools
I understand that and I believe the whole thing to be a non-story. My point is simply that if SACS was on campus during this time then either A) they are incompetent and missed this, B) it isn't a big deal (my opinion) and shouldn't have been written about, or C) both.
Posted on 8/27/15 at 9:06 am to StopRobot
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Bama has a much lower acceptance rate
Acceptance rate.
Posted on 8/27/15 at 9:13 am to Pavoloco83
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BFD
Totally no fricks given. Athletes are free to study whatever they want in a university setting.
I am seeing this response a lot. The point isn't that athletes are taking the easiest possible courses - that happens everywhere.
The rub is that the school wanted to discontinue the major because it wasn't accretive to their mission academically. The athletic department then offered money in return for the school keeping the major active. The money was turned down, but the major was kept active despite an overwhelming majority of the academic panel agreeing that the major did not further Auburn's academic cause.
I'm sure every school does it to some degree, but no one is outraged that athletes are taking easy classes. Most will take the path of least resistance. The gripe is that Auburn's AD is going as far as offering money in order to make that path as easy as possible when it directly conflicts with the university's academic goals.
Posted on 8/27/15 at 9:17 am to ATLdawg25
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The gripe is that Auburn's AD is going as far as offering money in order to make that path as easy as possible when it directly conflicts with the university's academic goals.
The athletic department is lobbying for a major that their student athletes want.
Posted on 8/27/15 at 9:21 am to TheJones
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The athletic department is lobbying for a major that their student athletes need.
FIFY
Posted on 8/27/15 at 9:24 am to TheJones
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The athletic department is lobbying for a major that their student athletes want.
There is definitely some self-preservation there as well. IF those students are forced to go to another major that is more difficult, things could only get worse from an eligibility standpoint.
It just looks bad when they put money on the table.
Posted on 8/27/15 at 9:27 am to ATLdawg25
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The rub is that the school wanted to discontinue the major because it wasn't accretive to their mission academically.
This is the inciting part of the article that the author does not define. It could be as little as the program lacked the number of students/financing as to the reasoning for the dismissal of the major, which is highly probable, given the facts. The author goes down another hole trying to lead readers into assuming something else is happening
Posted on 8/27/15 at 9:27 am to ATLdawg25
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It just looks bad when they put money on the table.
Would have been cheaper just to nix their faculty tickets and campus parking passes. What I would have done. And hell no, you can't use the new Activities Center.
Posted on 8/27/15 at 9:28 am to ATLdawg25
Alabamas Master Program in PA
Masters @ UGA in PA
UTK has the program
Florida has one to
MSU has this major
I could go on, but the bottom line is the new DEAN wanted to keep the program. This is a valid major, that most schools have...
The athletic department tried to help academics because we care. I hear the liberals cry that this should happen... We try to give back to academics and get criticized...
Masters @ UGA in PA
UTK has the program
Florida has one to
MSU has this major
I could go on, but the bottom line is the new DEAN wanted to keep the program. This is a valid major, that most schools have...
The athletic department tried to help academics because we care. I hear the liberals cry that this should happen... We try to give back to academics and get criticized...
This post was edited on 8/27/15 at 9:31 am
Posted on 8/27/15 at 9:28 am to NYCAuburn
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"How many Bama Athletes majored in Communication over the years."
It's General Studies at alabama
HES. They are all HES majors.
Posted on 8/27/15 at 9:34 am to allin2010
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I could go on
You could, or you could read my original post where I said it happens everywhere. Tried to save you some time, but it depended on reading comprehension, I guess.
Posted on 8/27/15 at 9:36 am to ATLdawg25
He's a lost cause. Don't bother
Posted on 8/27/15 at 9:39 am to RollDatRoll
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HES. They are all HES majors.
Just another one, but you have a very large number of GS majors on the FB team
Posted on 8/27/15 at 9:39 am to TheJones
No one familiar with college football should be surprised by the article. It could have also been about any SEC team (outside of Vandy, probably) and no one would have batted an eye.
We all know a similar article could be written about our school at any time. Just don't leave an email trail, guys!
Posted on 8/27/15 at 9:40 am to NYCAuburn
quote:The author makes it sound like Jay Jacobs got in the ear of Provost Boosinger and offered to subsidize the program which resulted in overturning the poli-sci faculty's vote to remove the major.
This is the inciting part of the article that the author does not define. It could be as little as the program lacked the number of students/financing as to the reasoning for the dismissal of the major, which is highly probable, given the facts. The author goes down another hole trying to lead readers into assuming something else is happening
Makes it sound like the Athelic Dept called the shots and backed their play by offering money to keep the course active.
Even some of the AU faculty/staff that were interviewed said athletics is so powerful at AU that it operates like a "second university" and whenever athletics intersect with academics, it's a different kind of process.
This post was edited on 8/27/15 at 9:44 am
Posted on 8/27/15 at 9:40 am to PorkSammich
jot really Understanding the problem here. School wanted to cut a major that disproportionately athletes and the AD offered to donate money to the sxhool to help fund the program is what i am reading, is this correct?
Whats the problem then? Sure its prolly an easy major but the mission of the AD is to provide support for the school and its student athletes, then why wouldn't they offer to pay for the program?
Whats the problem then? Sure its prolly an easy major but the mission of the AD is to provide support for the school and its student athletes, then why wouldn't they offer to pay for the program?
Posted on 8/27/15 at 9:43 am to ATLdawg25
quote:And tell your faculty and staff to STFU when the Wall Street Journal's researchers come to campus. Oh, and destroy all of your old memo's and departmental voting results.
We all know a similar article could be written about our school at any time. Just don't leave an email trail, guys!
AU's people are too loose lipped with outsiders.
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