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re: Aggies, are you guys concerned at all about Strong at UT?
Posted on 1/14/14 at 11:05 am to EKG
Posted on 1/14/14 at 11:05 am to EKG
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They're bad.
I liked Stillwater. Lubbock and Waco are awful. Norman was an average college town. frick ever going back to anywhere in Kansas. Never made the trip to Ames b/c its friggin Iowa.
If I was to rank the Big 12 towns (including teams that left) I've been to
Tier 1
Boulder
Austin
Tier 2
Fort Worth
Columbia
Stillwater
Norman
Tier 3
Manhattan
Lubbock
Lawrence
Tier 4
Waco
FWIW my SO was in the CU band and says Lincoln and Ames were ok though pretty dull. She compared both to Manhattan and Stillwater.
This post was edited on 1/14/14 at 11:17 am
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Posted on 1/14/14 at 11:06 am to cas4t
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They have world-class facilities, insanely wealthy boosters, a must-win attitude, and the history. All of that in itself is enough to get top 5 classes regularly.
Sure, if he can sell wins too.
If he can't sell wins in the first two years, suddenly Sumlin with the SEC or Briles with an exciting offense can get into the picture.
All of the greatness that is Austin is only a benefit if you are also selling a chance at success in football. The kids that are willing to go to Austin no matter what just because its Austin and sixth street are the kind of players that lack the drive to really kill it in college ball.
Heck that was a huge problem for Brown at the end- his recruiting didn't fall off by the rankings but he was recruiting the prima donnas while we were getting the ones who actually wanted to play football.
Again, if Strong pulls a Malzahn year one none of this matters. But personally I feel he will have a lot of turn-over as the current roster is used to a soft regime and might just quit when faced with the pit. There goes a lot of talent which won't be easily replaced when HS coaches are willing to promote Sumlin and Briles.
It could go either way, but I am not scared one bit.
Posted on 1/14/14 at 11:07 am to roadGator
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He was known as an outstanding recruit at UF.
I interned in strength and conditioning at UF while he was there.
He was a monster recruiter. He's recruited a lot of NFL talent and is really highly regarded when it comes to recruiting.
I think most of the posters on here don't know much about him TBH.
Posted on 1/14/14 at 11:08 am to Mizzoufan26
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Mack Brown passed on the last 3 Heisman winners
Really? That's absolutely awesome if so.
It's kinds true, but not really. He offered Griffin and Manziel, but not at QB. He never offered Winston, but it's not clear that he ever knew Winston was interested.
Posted on 1/14/14 at 11:09 am to cardboardboxer
I wouldn't be 'scared' per say if I were an aggie fan, but I also don't think he has to have a Malzahn type year to be successful.
As I said, the man is known in the CFB world as a damn good recruiter. I have no doubt that he'll get talent to Texas.
As I said, the man is known in the CFB world as a damn good recruiter. I have no doubt that he'll get talent to Texas.
Posted on 1/14/14 at 11:11 am to cas4t
I didn't mean to say I was there while he was at UF. I was there the year after. But he recruited most of the UF talent in the Tebow/Harvin days.
Posted on 1/14/14 at 11:13 am to roadGator
Have you been paying attention to his recruiting or assistant coaching search? We're laughing, not shaking.
Posted on 1/14/14 at 11:14 am to Hugh McElroy
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He offered Griffin and Manziel, but not at QB.
He absolutely did NOT offer JFF at ANY position.
He never even met with Johnny and they stopped recruiting him after two visits from an assistant coach.
The only time those two ever met what at a football camp that JFF attended when he was younger.
This post was edited on 1/14/14 at 11:15 am
Posted on 1/14/14 at 11:14 am to cas4t
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The culture at UT has historically brought them a lot of success. Mack was the issue. They'll be relevant again very soon.
Posted on 1/14/14 at 11:15 am to cas4t
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As I said, the man is known in the CFB world as a damn good recruiter. I have no doubt that he'll get talent to Texas.
Again, few will disagree w you.
Texas is a huge state--too much talent exists for all of the kids to stay. It kills us to see kids defect out of state each year.
We'll be fine. So will the horns.
Posted on 1/14/14 at 11:16 am to Gradual_Stroke
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Have you been paying attention to his recruiting or assistant coaching search? We're laughing, not shaking.
I would be too, right now.
Frankly, I'm even a little worried as an LSU fan. Texas is just next door and we already have enough people coming after the LA talent.
I'm just saying go back and look at the kids he recruited while at UF...it's crazy
Posted on 1/14/14 at 11:17 am to EKG
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Texas is a huge state--too much talent exists for all of the kids to stay
I never said he'd get every recruit
Posted on 1/14/14 at 11:17 am to roadGator
Not going to read 4 pages of ATM fans saying they aren't worried.
I'm not ready to say he will be successful, but IF UT has any sort of success next year, all the momentum that ATM has built up the past 2-3 years will be gone. UT will go back to doing whatever they want in the state with HS prospects.
I'm not ready to say he will be successful, but IF UT has any sort of success next year, all the momentum that ATM has built up the past 2-3 years will be gone. UT will go back to doing whatever they want in the state with HS prospects.
Posted on 1/14/14 at 11:18 am to gatordmb89
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but IF UT has any sort of success next year, all the momentum that ATM has built up the past 2-3 years will be gone.
Good lord
Posted on 1/14/14 at 11:18 am to gatordmb89
Uh oh. 
Posted on 1/14/14 at 11:19 am to cas4t
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He was a monster recruiter. He's recruited a lot of NFL talent and is really highly regarded when it comes to recruiting.
I will not doubt that. I will say today that he will still get top 10 classes easily.
The difference is, unlike with Brown, is that a lot of that talent will come from out of state.
Strong has already shown that rather than swim upstream and fight the relationships that Sumlin and Briles have in place that he will instead leverage the relationships he has built in Florida to steal talent out of that state. Florida HS players don't seem to jump on the state loyalty bandwagon like Texas boys do, so he is taking that Texas brand to Florida and bringing them over. Which is a smart move when everyone in Austin expects immediate results.
The problem with that method is that it hurts him politically because Texas fans pretty much expect their team to be a representation of the best of Texas HS football. So he will get pressure to recruit more in Texas where the path is tougher.
Even if he doesn't face political problems for raiding Florida, it is great for us because he is not competing directly with us for talent and he might inadvertently harm SEC teams.
So basically either way we can't lose. Strong was the best hire Texas could have made if you are an Aggie (the worst being Saban or Briles).
Posted on 1/14/14 at 11:19 am to Gradual_Stroke
History tends to repeat itself...UT has had yalls number for a long time.
Not saying it'll happen, but they have the recruiting tools to make it happen.
We're not talking about Arkansas here. Or Bret Bielema.
Not saying it'll happen, but they have the recruiting tools to make it happen.
We're not talking about Arkansas here. Or Bret Bielema.
Posted on 1/14/14 at 11:20 am to Gradual_Stroke
Keep your head in the sand, buddy. UT has always been the Giant in TX, and will be again at the first sign of success.
EDIT: There's no bigger fan of Sumlin than myself, and I like him more than I like Strong as a HC. So I'm not a Sumlin/ATM hater.
EDIT: There's no bigger fan of Sumlin than myself, and I like him more than I like Strong as a HC. So I'm not a Sumlin/ATM hater.
This post was edited on 1/14/14 at 11:22 am
Posted on 1/14/14 at 11:20 am to cas4t
I didn't imply you did.
Just making the point that multiple success stories in a state like Texas are anything but mutually exclusive.
Give me Sumlin and Texas A&M University any and every day.
Just making the point that multiple success stories in a state like Texas are anything but mutually exclusive.
Give me Sumlin and Texas A&M University any and every day.
Posted on 1/14/14 at 11:21 am to EKG
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Just making the point that multiple success stories in a state like Texas are anything but mutually exclusive
While this is 100% true, Texas clearly has had more success than any other university in Texas.
Second would be SMU and we know they won't be an issue.
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