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re: 5 star recruits of the SEC: Boom or bust?
Posted on 1/10/15 at 4:31 pm to Monticello
Posted on 1/10/15 at 4:31 pm to Monticello
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Alabama:
Julio Jones 08: boom (NFL all-pro and college star)
BJ Scott 08: total bust-did nothing in college
Tyler Love 08: total bust-did nothing in college
DJ Fluker 09: boom (college star and 1st rounder)
Trent Richardson 09: boom (college star and 1st rounder)
Dre Kirkpatrick 09: boom (college star and 1st rounder)
Nico Johnson 09: somewhat boom (solid college starter, 4th rnd draft pick)
DeMarcus Milliner 10: boom (college star, 1st rounder)
Cyrus Kouandjio 11: slight boom (college star, 2nd rounder)-although did not live up to hype
Ha Ha Clinton-Dix 11: boom (college star, 1st rounder)
Dee Hart 11: bust(transferred, doing well at Colorado St)
TJ Yeldon 12: boom (college star, 2nd or 3rd rounder)
Landon Collins 12: boom (college star, 1st rounder)
Eddie Williams 12: total bust due to arrest and expulsion
Bama DB's are the biggest busts ever in the NFL
None of those guys are booms or will ever be booms
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Posted on 1/10/15 at 4:42 pm to Magician
I'd love to see BlackCloud's list of 3-4 stars for all SEC teams. 
Posted on 1/10/15 at 4:46 pm to Monticello
Quay Evans was a total 5 star bust for us
Posted on 1/10/15 at 5:02 pm to Monticello
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I never implied this list had anything to do with success in the NFL. If you want to nit pick the Alabama list, do that to every team as well. If you really want to pick apart multi millionaires like Julio Jones, Trent Richardson, Dre Kirkpatrick, and Dee Milliner, be my guest. They have achieved every dream expected of a 5 star player. National titles, 1st round picks, mega millions contracts, starting positions in the NFL, etc.
Most of their College career status was based on their hype being a 5 Star recruit. Dre Kirkpatrick is a prime example. 2 Int for his entire career, yet he get drafted in the 1st round based on Saban's accessment of him. There are a few Pro GMs that fell for that advice that are unemployed.
Posted on 1/10/15 at 5:09 pm to Irons Puppet
I'm sure the Patriots, Ravens, and Packers all regret their Alabama draft picks. Picking players in the NFL draft is even more of a crapshoot than recruiting rankings are.
The only person that is probably unemployed due in large part to choosing an Alabama player as high as they did is whoever decided to take TR at #3 overall, but even in that case, pretty much everyone assumed he was going to be the best running back to come out of the draft since AP so at the time, drafting him was defensible.
If taking Alabama players in the first round has turned out so poorly for so many, as you have claimed, why do they still continue to dominate the first round? Including an Alabama DB in Landon Collins who will go in the top half of the first round this year.
The only person that is probably unemployed due in large part to choosing an Alabama player as high as they did is whoever decided to take TR at #3 overall, but even in that case, pretty much everyone assumed he was going to be the best running back to come out of the draft since AP so at the time, drafting him was defensible.
If taking Alabama players in the first round has turned out so poorly for so many, as you have claimed, why do they still continue to dominate the first round? Including an Alabama DB in Landon Collins who will go in the top half of the first round this year.
Posted on 1/10/15 at 5:11 pm to Irons Puppet
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Most of their College career status was based on their hype being a 5 Star recruit. Dre Kirkpatrick is a prime example. 2 Int for his entire career, yet he get drafted in the 1st round based on Saban's accessment of him.
Dre Kirkpatrick was an excellent college corner. Our last two teams have severely missed having a lockdown corner like him. The best corners usually don't have many INT's because no one is throwing their way. Remember that NC State corner 3 years ago who had like 13 INT's but was completely abused by Cordarelle Patterson?
Posted on 1/10/15 at 5:29 pm to Monticello
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Dre Kirkpatrick was an excellent college corner. Our last two teams have severely missed having a lockdown corner like him. The best corners usually don't have many INT's because no one is throwing their way. Remember that NC State corner 3 years ago who had like 13 INT's but was completely abused by Cordarelle Patterson?
Mainly due to the lack of quality passers in the SEC during that period. Dre is no lockdown corner and he is proving it in the Pros.
Posted on 1/10/15 at 5:30 pm to RangerRicky
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The only person that is probably unemployed due in large part to choosing an Alabama player as high as they did is whoever decided to take TR at #3 overall, but even in that case, pretty much everyone assumed he was going to be the best running back to come out of the draft since AP so at the time, drafting him was defensible.
He almost got two GMs fired.
Posted on 1/10/15 at 5:31 pm to Irons Puppet
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He almost got two GMs fired.
Ok...so one player. Where are your other examples?
Posted on 1/10/15 at 5:34 pm to RangerRicky
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If taking Alabama players in the first round has turned out so poorly for so many, as you have claimed, why do they still continue to dominate the first round? Including an Alabama DB in Landon Collins who will go in the top half of the first round this year.
Collins will get eaten alive in the Pros. He is a good run stopper, but he was part of bama's problems in the secondary the last two seasons. I'm sure the GM Club will again take Saban's evaluation on him, and again he will be a Barron repeat.
This post was edited on 1/10/15 at 5:58 pm
Posted on 1/10/15 at 5:56 pm to BlackCloud
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Odell Beckham, Jeremy Hill, Ego Ferguson, Trai Turner, Kiki Mingo, Eric Reid, Kevin Minter, Bennie Logan, Tyrann Mathieu, Morris Claiborne and Michael Brockers would all qualify as major "booms" that were all 3* and 4* rated players that were developed into 5* players on the field by Les and his staff.
I mean, we can play this game if you would like.
Alabama's best 3* and 4* players from 2008-2012
2008 (Hell, I would put just this class up against the entire 5 years for LSU)
Mark Barron - 1st round
Courtney Upshaw - 2nd round
Terrance Cody - 2nd Round
Dont'a Hightower - 1st round
Mark Ingram - 1st Round, Heisman Trophy Winner
Barrett Jones - 4th Round, Rimington and Outland Trophy Winner
Marcel Dareus - 1st Round, BCSNCG MVP
2009
AJ McCarron, Heisman Finalist, BCSNCG MVP
James Carpenter, 1st Round
Eddie Lacy, 2nd Round, OROTY
Chance Warmack, 1st Round
Kevin Norwood, 4th Round
2010
CJ Mosley, 1st Round, Pro Bowl
Arie Kuoandijo, Likely 2nd day pick
2011
Ha-Ha Clinton Dix, 1st Round
Cyrus Kuoandijo, 2nd Round Pick
Trey Depriest, Likely 2nd day pick
2012
Amari Cooper, 1st Round, GOATWR
Reggie Ragland, Likely 1-2 Rounder
As you can see it's obvious that Alabama beats LSU handily in this comparison. It's also evident Alabama is having less success recently because, simply put, we recruit far less 4* and 3* players than other programs. Many of our impact players come from 5* recruits like Julio, DreKirk, A'Shawn Robinson, TJ Yeldon, Derrick Henry, DJ Fluker, Landon Collins, Dee Milliner etc. etc. etc.
Posted on 1/10/15 at 6:00 pm to Irons Puppet
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Most of their College career status was based on their hype being a 5 Star recruit. Dre Kirkpatrick is a prime example. 2 Int for his entire career, yet he get drafted in the 1st round based on Saban's accessment of him. There are a few Pro GMs that fell for that advice that are unemployed.
Who cares? So what if Dre ends up being the worst CB in NFL history? For our purposes...meaning the promotion of the Alabama football program...he was an absolute boom in terms of what you want out of a recruit. Alabama had the #13 pass defense and #5 total defense nationally in 2010, and the #1 pass defense and #1 total defense nationally in 2011, and Kirkpatrick certainly contributed to that ranking. He got drafted in the first round. Relative to what Alabama wanted to get out of him...contribute to a nation leading defense, win a national championship, and get drafted in the first round, thus giving future five stars incentive to choose Alabama...Kirkpatrick was absolutely, positively a 100% boom. If you can't grasp that, there's just no helping you.
Posted on 1/10/15 at 6:04 pm to BamaGradinTn
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Who cares? So what if Dre ends up being the worst CB in NFL history? For our purposes...meaning the promotion of the Alabama football program...he was an absolute boom in terms of what you want out of a recruit. Alabama had the #13 pass defense and #5 total defense nationally in 2010, and the #1 pass defense and #1 total defense nationally in 2011, and Kirkpatrick certainly contributed to that ranking. He got drafted in the first round. Relative to what Alabama wanted to get out of him...contribute to a nation leading defense, win a national championship, and get drafted in the first round, thus giving future five stars incentive to choose Alabama...Kirkpatrick was absolutely, positively a 100% boom. If you can't grasp that, there's just no helping you.
So you admit, it is smoke and mirrors ? All part of a hype machine. That I grasp.
Posted on 1/10/15 at 6:07 pm to Magician
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Bama DB's are the biggest busts ever in the NFL
None of those guys are booms or will ever be booms
Three were All Americans. All four won national champions. Three of those four were first round picks. They already were booms. Are they booms right now? Who cares?
And all of those reasons are why, right now, we have 2 of the top 5 corners in the country committed, and 2 of the top 5 safeties. That's the boom. Whatever happens with their NFL careers from this point forward is irrelevant, as far as our purposes are concerned.
Posted on 1/10/15 at 6:09 pm to Irons Puppet
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So you admit, it is smoke and mirrors ? All part of a hype machine. That I grasp.
What's smoke and mirrors about being a starter on the #1 defense in the country, winning a national championship, and 4 of the top 10 DBs in the country currently being committed for the class of 2015? What's smoke and mirrors about first round draft money?
Posted on 1/10/15 at 6:10 pm to Irons Puppet
Jai Eugene (LSU)* was touted as the #1 CB in the country circa 2006. If I recall, he was a 5 star per some of the recruiting sites. Four or five, Eugene had an underwhelming college career for his billing. And, for the purposes of this thread, would be a bust. Not a stain on the university's name type bust, but he saw most of his action on special teams, as a backup, handful of starts. So my memory says.
*My bad, he's 2-3 years out of the discussion. Continue on.
*My bad, he's 2-3 years out of the discussion. Continue on.
This post was edited on 1/10/15 at 6:35 pm
Posted on 1/10/15 at 6:13 pm to BamaGradinTn
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What's smoke and mirrors about first round draft money?
The second contract.
Posted on 1/10/15 at 6:13 pm to BamaGradinTn
There isn't one. Irons puppet is just what his username states. A puppet for the fambly. Just look at his post history. It's frightening.
Posted on 1/10/15 at 6:16 pm to RangerRicky
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Just look at his post history. It's frightening.
The truth never gets in the way of Bammer's delusions.
Posted on 1/10/15 at 6:19 pm to RangerRicky
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I mean, we can play this game if you would like.
OK...this is fun.
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2008 (Hell, I would put just this class up against the entire 5 years for LSU)
Mark Barron - 1st round- system player and NFL bust.
Courtney Upshaw - 2nd round- system player and slight bust with 3 career sacks in three years.
Terrance Cody - 2nd Round- system player and total bust in the NFL.
Dont'a Hightower - 1st round good player
Mark Ingram - 1st Round, Heisman Trophy Winner-sytem player and total and absolute bust with the Saints.
Barrett Jones - 4th Round, Rimington and Outland Trophy Winner -system player and will be selling insurance back in Germantown Tn. in a year or two.
Marcel Dareus - 1st Round, BCSNCG MVP- good player
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2009
AJ McCarron, Heisman Finalist, BCSNCG MVP -system player who will be on the NFL network in a year or two.
James Carpenter, 1st Round- meh
Eddie Lacy, 2nd Round, OROTY- Built La. tough
Chance Warmack, 1st Round -system player and bust
Kevin Norwood, 4th Round -meh
[quote]2010
CJ Mosley, 1st Round, Pro Bowl -very good player
Arie Kuoandijo, Likely 2nd day pick -garbage
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2012
Amari Cooper, 1st Round, GOATWR-injury prone and shaky hands. Won't be able to carry ODell's dirty jock strap in the NFL.
Reggie Ragland, Likely 1-2 Rounder - good player
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As you can see it's obvious that Alabama beats LSU handily in this comparison.
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