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If Penn State Scandal occurred in the SEC , would we support a ban?
Posted on 7/12/12 at 8:53 pm
Posted on 7/12/12 at 8:53 pm
Imagine a similar size and scope, which just doesn't seem possible...
Would you be willing to call for a temporary ban on the football program to right the wrongs?
Should Penn State supporters consider the same?
"The NCAA has a long history of issuing harsh penalties to schools and programs that violate it recruitment and conduct policies. From SMU in 1987 to Ohio State and USC more recently, even minor violations have warranted cancelled seasons, TV and bowl game suspensions, and deep fines. The NCAA implemented those punishments with the stated goal of preserving the integrity of its competitors. It should act in the same spirit now.
The aforementioned penalties crushed programs for buying players cars, clothes, jewelry or access to agents. Is there a commensurate punishment for actively covering up ongoing child rape? The Freeh report and grand jury testimonies confirm that Penn State's prime motive for covering up Sandusky's crimes was to preserve the image of its football program, the flagship of the institution. The conclusion that Spanier, Paterno, and others reached was the momentum and public image of its football program were far more important than intervening in the sexual abuse of children - on and off its property - by one of its native sons. This cannot happen again.
Failing to suspend the PSU football program from NCAA participation (for years, if not indefinitely) ranks this scandal as a less serious offence than paying recruits under the table. The message must be sent that no athletic program or university is more important than the law, nor more important than protecting the members of its community. The magnitude of the crimes and cover-up at PSU is now clear. The atrocities were not the product of one rogue individual, but indeed were prolonged and even facilitated by the synergy of an institution that fancied itself too big to fail. The NCAA needs to make it clear that none of its constituents is that important. Given its precedent punishments, anything short of suspending PSU football is another weak attempt to sweep this uncomfortable problem under the rug." -BuffetRules
NYT On Freeh Report.
Would you be willing to call for a temporary ban on the football program to right the wrongs?
Should Penn State supporters consider the same?
"The NCAA has a long history of issuing harsh penalties to schools and programs that violate it recruitment and conduct policies. From SMU in 1987 to Ohio State and USC more recently, even minor violations have warranted cancelled seasons, TV and bowl game suspensions, and deep fines. The NCAA implemented those punishments with the stated goal of preserving the integrity of its competitors. It should act in the same spirit now.
The aforementioned penalties crushed programs for buying players cars, clothes, jewelry or access to agents. Is there a commensurate punishment for actively covering up ongoing child rape? The Freeh report and grand jury testimonies confirm that Penn State's prime motive for covering up Sandusky's crimes was to preserve the image of its football program, the flagship of the institution. The conclusion that Spanier, Paterno, and others reached was the momentum and public image of its football program were far more important than intervening in the sexual abuse of children - on and off its property - by one of its native sons. This cannot happen again.
Failing to suspend the PSU football program from NCAA participation (for years, if not indefinitely) ranks this scandal as a less serious offence than paying recruits under the table. The message must be sent that no athletic program or university is more important than the law, nor more important than protecting the members of its community. The magnitude of the crimes and cover-up at PSU is now clear. The atrocities were not the product of one rogue individual, but indeed were prolonged and even facilitated by the synergy of an institution that fancied itself too big to fail. The NCAA needs to make it clear that none of its constituents is that important. Given its precedent punishments, anything short of suspending PSU football is another weak attempt to sweep this uncomfortable problem under the rug." -BuffetRules
NYT On Freeh Report.
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Posted on 7/12/12 at 8:54 pm to Bulskinator
If it were Bama I would support the death penalty.
Posted on 7/12/12 at 8:56 pm to Bulskinator
If it isn't an NCAA matter, it damn sure is a B1G matter.
If they don't act, don't ever listen to a yankee lecture on the SEC again.
If they don't act, don't ever listen to a yankee lecture on the SEC again.
Posted on 7/12/12 at 8:56 pm to roadGator
Only if it involved Bama... Otherwise no...
Actually would not want that for Bama either... So no...
Actually would not want that for Bama either... So no...
Posted on 7/12/12 at 9:00 pm to Smoke Ring
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If they don't act, don't ever listen to a yankee lecture on the SEC again.
Well get ready to not listen cause I honestly don't think they are going to do shite.
Like many ppl I have mixed feelings cause I do not believe its right to punish current players who had absolutely nothing to do with the scandal, however at the same time anyone who tried to conceal it should be immediately fired and not allowed to work for an NCAA sanctioned school ever again
Posted on 7/12/12 at 9:16 pm to Wishnitwas1998
I think the Big 10 and the NCAA need to take an action on this one. It's just unfathomable that they'd suspend players and penalize programs (even players who had nothing to do with policy breaking)for issues not even close to the gravity of this one.
Not doing so is a massive stain upon CFB as we know it.
Not doing so is a massive stain upon CFB as we know it.
Posted on 7/12/12 at 9:20 pm to Wishnitwas1998
I personally don't think it would be a punishment to current players on the team if you allowed for immediate transfer status to all of them and they could transfer anywhere without having to sit out. If this had happened at missouri I would hope something would happen to discourage this kind of lack of institutional control. We aren't talking about recruiting violations but rather ruined lives.
Posted on 7/12/12 at 9:20 pm to Bulskinator
I would never support a ban for LSU in similar circumstances.
Posted on 7/12/12 at 9:21 pm to Bulskinator
I'm surprised Auburn hasn't been banned for failing to stop the gang activity that has developed down there.
Posted on 7/12/12 at 9:23 pm to Bulskinator
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think the Big 10 and the NCAA need to take an action on this one.
Why? This has nothing to do with the players and coaches there right now.
Posted on 7/12/12 at 9:32 pm to wdeinttown
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I'm surprised Auburn hasn't been banned for failing to stop the gang activity that has developed down there.
I don't know why, but I found this funny as frick.
Posted on 7/12/12 at 9:35 pm to Bulskinator
The NCAA has no jurisdiction in these matters. How can the NCAA punish PSU with the Repeat Violator rule when PSU has never been found in violation of breaking an NCAA rule?
Stopping the football team from playing in no way fits the punishment for what happened, if anything it cheapens it.
Now, if the BOT suspended football ops at PSU, then so be it.
If the NCAA wishes to kick the school out entirely, they can as can the Big 10.
Stopping the football team from playing in no way fits the punishment for what happened, if anything it cheapens it.
Now, if the BOT suspended football ops at PSU, then so be it.
If the NCAA wishes to kick the school out entirely, they can as can the Big 10.
Posted on 7/12/12 at 9:38 pm to parkjas2001
I agreed with you until I heard a reporter on the radio today.
He said you know why PSU covered up the scandal? Because if it got out that it would affect recruiting. So in a way, the coverup was part of an unfair advantage. Had the news of the rapist come out their recruiting and reputation would have suffered.
I say let the NCAA frick them up. PSU should self ban for a year regardless.
He said you know why PSU covered up the scandal? Because if it got out that it would affect recruiting. So in a way, the coverup was part of an unfair advantage. Had the news of the rapist come out their recruiting and reputation would have suffered.
I say let the NCAA frick them up. PSU should self ban for a year regardless.
Posted on 7/12/12 at 9:41 pm to Bulskinator
A more intriguing question - what if went down at your school? Would you still support them?
And when I say your/you, I mean all of us.
And when I say your/you, I mean all of us.
Posted on 7/12/12 at 9:42 pm to blzr
Doesn't matter, other violations are not thrown out because players weren't involved (or coaches for that matter).
Posted on 7/12/12 at 9:44 pm to roadGator
That is the dumbest shite I've ever heard. That reporter is a joke. You don't cover up kid rape to save recruiting, you cover it up to not go to prison.
Even if that was their logic, there is no correlation between kid rape and if a player signs at a school. They could never tie together why a kid didn't sign with PSU because no recruit would admit that was the reason.
Even if that was their logic, there is no correlation between kid rape and if a player signs at a school. They could never tie together why a kid didn't sign with PSU because no recruit would admit that was the reason.
Posted on 7/12/12 at 9:44 pm to USMC Gators
To know that this occurred at my alma mater with as egregious wrongdoing, it'd be tough to swallow supporting the program WITHOUT a plan of action to correct mistakes. I would even include a year without the program in order to flush the poisonous people out of leadership roles.
A people-ectomy, if you will.
A people-ectomy, if you will.
Posted on 7/12/12 at 9:51 pm to Bulskinator
Well that whole punishing the kids and coaches there now thing doesn't fly with me. You can always go to another school and play football and receive a free education. You can always go coach at another program. Penn State is not the end all be all of CFB. Death Penalty!
Posted on 7/12/12 at 9:54 pm to parkjas2001
That's certainly not the dumbest shite you've heard but you can get a tad dramatic at times. I think you read some of the ATPB thread.
Think about it. PSU/Paterno knows what's happening in the 1990s. They do nothing but tell the rapist to not bring kids to campus.
Was that really just to keep Sandusky out of jail? It had nothing to do with saving JoPa's reputation or the schools reputation? Would recruits chosen PSU had they known about Sandusky? Would parents have allowed their kids to go to such a school?
Maybe they didn't want Sandusky to go to jail. If so, they many more folks should go to jail with him.
Think about it. PSU/Paterno knows what's happening in the 1990s. They do nothing but tell the rapist to not bring kids to campus.
Was that really just to keep Sandusky out of jail? It had nothing to do with saving JoPa's reputation or the schools reputation? Would recruits chosen PSU had they known about Sandusky? Would parents have allowed their kids to go to such a school?
Maybe they didn't want Sandusky to go to jail. If so, they many more folks should go to jail with him.
Posted on 7/12/12 at 10:00 pm to roadGator
No, it was plenty about reputation, but had they done the right hint back then, Sandusky would be in prison and there would have been no rapist on campus...thus no threat to recruits.
If anything, had PSU done it right, they could have become the long arm of the law with an example that they won't tolerate lawbreakers on their watch. See parents, HV is a safe place while we are roaming the halls.
That reporter needs perspective.
If anything, had PSU done it right, they could have become the long arm of the law with an example that they won't tolerate lawbreakers on their watch. See parents, HV is a safe place while we are roaming the halls.
That reporter needs perspective.
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