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re: If Penn State Scandal occurred in the SEC , would we support a ban?
Posted on 7/13/12 at 11:53 am to therick711
Posted on 7/13/12 at 11:53 am to therick711
quote:Bull shite. Their purpose is to self regulate the legal industry to insure competency and integrity of the profession. That is why the state bars have a code of ethics/conduct that it enforces on attorneys in the respective states.
It isn't their role. Their role in most states is statutorily defined as making sure that an applicant displays minimal competency. It has nothing to do with punishing wrong doers who are licensed once they become members
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Posted on 7/13/12 at 11:55 am to WDE24
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Bull shite. Their purpose is to self regulate the legal industry to insure competency and integrity of the profession. That is why the state bars have a code of ethics/conduct that it enforces on attorneys in the respective states.
It is also why they don't throw them in jail. It isn't their role, but yet they punish offenders. Just because the Rules of Professional Conduct exist, doesn't change their role of minimum competency. I'll bet the NCAA has a code of conduct that has been violated. We getting any warmer here?
See NCAA Bylaw Article 10.
This post was edited on 7/13/12 at 12:00 pm
Posted on 7/13/12 at 12:01 pm to WDE24
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The football program didn't allow the access, certain members of the administration did. And they are being dealt with. Additionally, because those administrators were representatives of the school, the school will be paying millions of dollars to the victims that were not protected as a result of the schools cover up.
Damn, you are one hard headed, narrow minded individual. Football Programs, Universities, and Corporations are not just entities that exist in a vacuum. They are run by individuals that have the power to make policy, make decisions, and dictate to others how they are run.
The people in power of the Penn State Football Program (The Head Coach and AD) along with the people in power of the University (The President and VP) made a decision to not turn in a criminal for committing criminal acts on their campus in their facilities.
USC is currently serving bowl and scholarship sanctions for activities that were committed by a coaching staff and AD that is no longer with the university. They are being punished for simply providing money to recruits to entice them to their university to play football.
So, why should the NCAA only be able to punish programs that provide a few $ to recruits, punish schools for a player signing with an agent on his own, but not have the authority to punish a football program that aided and abetted a child rapist so that their football program would not suffer the consequences of this news being released?
These men covered up major crimes committed in their football facilities for the sole purpose to preserve the reputation of their football program. This is a major football issue and is, by far, the worst scandal that has ever occured by a football program. Ever.
But, you think the NCAA or Big Ten should not step in and punish the program that committed the worst crimes and covered up the worst scandal in the history of college football.
OK. Got it.
This post was edited on 7/13/12 at 12:06 pm
Posted on 7/13/12 at 12:05 pm to Tammany Tom
quote:Right, I covered that in my post.
Football Programs, Universities, and Corporations are not just entities that exist in a vacuum. They are run by individuals that have the power to make policy, make decisions, and dictate to others how they are run.
quote:Yep and they have been fired by the university, charged with crimes by law enforcement and will be defendants in criminal and/or civil courts. All the proper authorities and venues for dealing with what happened.
The people in power of the Penn State Football Program (The Head Coach and AD) along with the people in power of the University (The President and VP) made a decision to not turn in a criminal for committing criminal acts on their campus in their facilities.
quote:Yes, paying recruits has something to do with college athletics and is withing the purview of the NCAA's oversight.
USC is currently serving bowl and scholarship sanctions for activities that were committed by a coaching staff and AD that is no longer with the university. They are being punished for simply providing money to recruits to entice them to their university to play football.
quote:Because they are equipped to act as law enforcement and frankly aren't needed.
So, why should the NCAA only be able to punish programs that provide a few $ to recruits, punish schools for a player signing with an agent on his own, but not have the authority to punish a football program that aided and abetted a child rapist so that their football program would not suffer the consequences of this news being released?
quote:Yep, because their are other authorities that have the power, authority and role to do that. It isn't the NCAA's.
But, you think the NCAA or Big Ten should not step in and punish the program that committed the worst crimes and scandal in the history of college football.
Posted on 7/13/12 at 12:05 pm to USMC Gators
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A more intriguing question - what if went down at your school? Would you still support them?
And when I say your/you, I mean all of us.
I would burn every product that was associated with Auburn. They would lose all financial support as well. Are PSU fans still walking around with PSU shirts on?
Posted on 7/13/12 at 12:07 pm to WDE24
If the NCAA stepped in it would set precedent that I don't think the NCAA is even remotely equipped to handle. The school will get what it has coming.
Posted on 7/13/12 at 12:08 pm to therick711
quote:Just did. It has nothing to do with anything that happened in this matter other than a general statement that they should act with honesty and sportmanship.
See NCAA Bylaw Article 10.
Be honest, you didn't read it before you posted that, did you?
Posted on 7/13/12 at 12:11 pm to WDE24
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WDE24
If this happened at LSU, I would not only want, but would request that the football program be given the death penalty.
The NCAA is worthless, we all know that. But, if ever a school deserves the death penalty, it's Penn State. If the NCAA has any merit at all, if it's worth anything, then they will intervene and shut that football program down.
But, we all know they won't. I'm done here.
Posted on 7/13/12 at 12:14 pm to Tammany Tom
I respect your opinion and don't have any problem with you holding that opinion. I am more than disgusted by what Sandusky and the crew of PSU enablers did. I simply don't think this is an NCAA issue. Just like it isn't an IRS issue. It falls underneath the oversight and control of other authorities who are more equipped to properly deal with what happened.
Posted on 7/13/12 at 12:19 pm to Tammany Tom
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Damn, you are one hard headed, narrow minded individual. Football Programs, Universities, and Corporations are not just entities that exist in a vacuum. They are run by individuals that have the power to make policy, make decisions, and dictate to others how they are run.
The people in power of the Penn State Football Program (The Head Coach and AD) along with the people in power of the University (The President and VP) made a decision to not turn in a criminal for committing criminal acts on their campus in their facilities.
So by banning PSU from fielding a football team, how have you punished any of those four individuals?
Posted on 7/13/12 at 12:31 pm to WDE24
Wde24 just stfu, you are starting to sound like the people that was involved in this cover up. Almost sounding like ol jo ped
Posted on 7/13/12 at 12:43 pm to kuntrykingpin318
Very informative and insightful post. Would you like to be more specific?
Posted on 7/13/12 at 12:50 pm to WDE24
WDE24: What you are saying is logical in terms of the law and the NCAA bylaws but it lacks all compassion and a human element. As with all legal jargon it is how one interprets it. Everyone on here could go round and round all day. The fact still remains that an AD, HC and entire football staff knowingly and willingly enabled a felon to use PSU athletic facilities to rape and molest young buys. Their lives are forever changed for the worse.
Shut them down.
Shut them down.
Posted on 7/13/12 at 12:52 pm to Marines4Auburn
quote:I agree and they deserve to be punished severely. I am not lacking the human element. I cringe for what they enabled to happen. My only opinion, which I have no problem if people want to disagree, is that the NCAA isn't the right organization to deal with this issue.
The fact still remains that an AD, HC and entire football staff knowingly and willingly enabled a felon to use PSU athletic facilities to rape and molest young buys. Their lives are forever changed for the worse.
Posted on 7/13/12 at 12:58 pm to WDE24
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is that the NCAA isn't the right organization to deal with this issue.
I keep seeing this and don't understand it.
Is it somehow mutually exclusive? Can "federal rape-me-in-the-arse prison" cops not do their job if the NCAA does something?
If NCAA rules were indeed violated with respect to institutional control as well as "maintaining moral conduct", then why can the NCAA not issue penalties as well? Someone please clarify.
Posted on 7/13/12 at 12:59 pm to WDE24
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WDE24
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Very informative and insightful post. Would you like to be more specific?
you are just starting to sound just like ped st , as in you are starting to sound like the logic jo pa used in saying this isnt my problem im a football coach. saying this is not a ncaa but a judicial, while it is judicial . to say that this dosent invole the ncaa is just crazy
Posted on 7/13/12 at 1:01 pm to WDE24
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. My only opinion, which I have no problem if people want to disagree, is that the NCAA isn't the right organization to deal with this issue.
How would you feel about federal authorities doing the entire investigation passing down their judgement and punishments and then making recommendations to the NCAA?
Posted on 7/13/12 at 1:03 pm to kuntrykingpin318
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you are just starting to sound just like ped st , as in you are starting to sound like the logic jo pa used in saying this isnt my problem im a football coach. saying this is not a ncaa but a judicial, while it is judicial . to say that this dosent invole the ncaa is just crazy
To be fair I think he is saying a larger, higher authority needs to take care of this.
Posted on 7/13/12 at 1:03 pm to kuntrykingpin318
quote:In what way?
you are just starting to sound just like ped st
quote:WTF? How about a quote that would demonstrate this. You had your IQ checked lately. you may qualify for special services.
you are starting to sound like the logic jo pa used in saying this isnt my problem im a football coach.
quote:Well, that is the truth.
saying this is not a ncaa but a judicial
quote:Crazy, but true.
to say that this dosent invole the ncaa is just crazy
Posted on 7/13/12 at 1:07 pm to Tiguar
quote:No they both can.
Can "federal rape-me-in-the-arse prison" cops not do their job if the NCAA does something?
quote:I haven't seen the rules, which ones were violated? I know the NCAA rules don't cover this type of issue so the NCAA would have to go out of its way to interpret its rules very broadly so that they could make a determination. I just don't think there is any need or reason for them to do that.
If NCAA rules were indeed violated with respect to institutional control as well as "maintaining moral conduct"
quote:They could. I just don't see the need or purpose in doing so when these crimes and wrong doings don't actually fit under their normal oversight responsibilities.
then why can the NCAA not issue penalties as well? Someone please clarify.
Like I said multiple times, I don't care if the NCAA does do something, I just don't see where they need to or should.
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