Started By
Message
re: If Penn State Scandal occurred in the SEC , would we support a ban?
Posted on 7/12/12 at 10:02 pm to Bulskinator
Posted on 7/12/12 at 10:02 pm to Bulskinator
part of me thinks a ban is warranted. I have nothing to support this but my thoughts are that Paterno and Admin knew, and let it go to keep it on the down low, hoping it would go away and the image of Paterno and PSU football would be untarnished. Once that happened, the slave became the master so speak and Sandusky had leverage and the furthering the cover up became even more necessary to protect the image that was PSU football. If that is true, take football away and let value of the program come back to reality. Much like the hazing incident for the FAMU band. In reality, I wouldn't support a ban though, It's too isolated of an instance. Paterno is no longer with us, Sandusky is in the big house (and I don't mean Michigan) and he doesn't make it much past the bowl season anyway and the other Admins involved are going to get jail time. I wouldn't support it for an SEC school either - as long as it was a non-football related/NCAA matter and criminal proceedings prevailed.
1
Posted on 7/12/12 at 10:04 pm to parkjas2001
I wasn't talking about a physical threat to recruits. I'm quite certain he never tried that shiite and young men large enough to beat his arse or those that weren't vulnerable in some way.
I was just talking about the negative impact on recruiting the story would have had. The minute they didn't fire his arse and turn him in the first they heard of the crimes they had to bury it to protect themselves, their reputation and ultimately their recruiting.
We'll agree to disagree on this point and move on. I hope the ncaa releases all their plays and pops them good.
I was just talking about the negative impact on recruiting the story would have had. The minute they didn't fire his arse and turn him in the first they heard of the crimes they had to bury it to protect themselves, their reputation and ultimately their recruiting.
We'll agree to disagree on this point and move on. I hope the ncaa releases all their plays and pops them good.
Posted on 7/12/12 at 10:06 pm to Honcho C McGregor
PSU can be punished but it has to come from within. The school needs to remove everything that has Paterno on it. The alumni should demand some program or attitude or something that will make it right again.
Even if they do tht, there really is no justifiable punishment here...and that is the sad truth.
Even if they do tht, there really is no justifiable punishment here...and that is the sad truth.
Posted on 7/12/12 at 10:07 pm to roadGator
That's fine, lots of opinions out there nut the NCAA won't do anything cause the cant, short of removing the school as a whole from the NCAA.
Posted on 7/12/12 at 10:16 pm to Bulskinator
If what happened at Penn St had happened to an SEC school? I would hope the harshest penalties upon their heads and program. Yes even if it had an AU on it.
Posted on 7/12/12 at 10:17 pm to Bulskinator
I'd renounce my fandom completely and probably become a Gump. Yes I'd be completely for a death penalty of my own Alma Mater
Posted on 7/12/12 at 10:19 pm to parkjas2001
quote:
The NCAA has no jurisdiction in these matters. How can the NCAA punish PSU with the Repeat Violator rule when PSU has never been found in violation of breaking an NCAA rule? Stopping the football team from playing in no way fits the punishment for what happened, if anything it cheapens it. Now, if the BOT suspended football ops at PSU, then so be it. If the NCAA wishes to kick the school out entirely, they can as can the Big 10.
The NCAA is a totally and completely worthless organization. It has a rule book that is 4 inches thick, but doesn't have a rule that a recruit's father can't shop his son to the highest bidder.
The NCAA hands down major sanctions for a kid hocking his championship ring at a tatoo palor and getting cash for it, but can't step in when a football coach, AD, and President cover up and continue to allow a child rapist to use their football facilities to execute his crimes? Yes, that is the NCAA for you.
Absolutely!!! The Penn State football program should be shut down for a minimum of 2 years. The Death Penalty should be demanded by all decent, civilized college football fans with any morals at all to be hammered down to Penn State.
Posted on 7/12/12 at 10:34 pm to parkjas2001
quote:
parkjas2001
Stopping the football team from playing in no way fits the punishment for what happened, if anything it cheapens it.
This is a very good point. The agency best suited to punish Penn State is their accrediting organization, the Middle States Commission on Higher Education. Some of the most basic principles of accreditation have to do with the integrity of the institution, proper institutional control and supervision by the administration and board of trustees, providing a safe environment, and fostering an appropriate culture and environment. Penn State's administration and board of trustees made a complete mockery of those standards.
Forget banning the football team for a year. That's small potatoes. Let them go without any federal funding for a year. Make any incoming students have to go elsewhere for a year if they have federally funded student loans. Of course, that would never happen though, because PSU's accreditation isn't currently on probation.
Posted on 7/12/12 at 10:37 pm to Tammany Tom
Before today, I wanted to believe these people just didn't realize the magnitude of their failure to act. After this report, I'm ready to throw the book at PSU.
The Freeh report makes it pretty clear that there was no institutional control. Compliance was decentralized and understaffed. There were repeated instances of child rape inside the football complex, where the AD and head coach (and McQuery, but he had a lot less power) knew there was a pedophile. They knew this about him, and still allowed him to bring children around, and even travel to games. They never even attempted to find out who the boy was in the 2001 incident. There is no defense or justification for this. The NCAA can, and IMO should, nail them to the wall for lack of institutional control, dishonesty and whatever else they can come up with.
The sad thing is, in 1998 the DA declined to prosecute. And in 2001, if they had just gone to the authorities and done the right thing then, the fallout would have been over in a few weeks. They could have taken the high road, said this has occurred, and here's how we've addressed it, in accordance with our values. Instead they just covered it up. And kids lives were destroyed.
The Freeh report makes it pretty clear that there was no institutional control. Compliance was decentralized and understaffed. There were repeated instances of child rape inside the football complex, where the AD and head coach (and McQuery, but he had a lot less power) knew there was a pedophile. They knew this about him, and still allowed him to bring children around, and even travel to games. They never even attempted to find out who the boy was in the 2001 incident. There is no defense or justification for this. The NCAA can, and IMO should, nail them to the wall for lack of institutional control, dishonesty and whatever else they can come up with.
The sad thing is, in 1998 the DA declined to prosecute. And in 2001, if they had just gone to the authorities and done the right thing then, the fallout would have been over in a few weeks. They could have taken the high road, said this has occurred, and here's how we've addressed it, in accordance with our values. Instead they just covered it up. And kids lives were destroyed.
Posted on 7/12/12 at 10:39 pm to OMLandshark
quote:
I'd renounce my fandom completely and probably become a Gump. Yes I'd be completely for a death penalty of my own Alma Mater
I'd do this(except I'd probably cheer for a team other then Bama). There is no excuse for knowing about it and not getting his butt in jail. Knowing about it and covering it up seems like aiding/abiding a felon. I loved JoePa, but if he was alive now I'd want his butt rotting in prison with Sandusky, McQuery, the AD, and whoever the hell else knew about it.
Posted on 7/12/12 at 11:03 pm to Tammany Tom
Stopping the football program for this is like taking away a bank robbers drivers license.
Posted on 7/12/12 at 11:07 pm to allin2010
quote:
If it were Bama I would support the death penalty.
Posted on 7/12/12 at 11:42 pm to bigeztiger
I'm sorry, but I see this as 10000x worse than what went on at smu
Posted on 7/13/12 at 3:08 am to Tigerlaff
quote:
I would never suport a ban on lsu in similar circumstances
C,,mon man , I bet u supported uscw bans for recruiting violations. I love my LSU as much as the next man , but if there was this bigof a cover up by the whole program . I would be sad but couldnt support them getting to play
Posted on 7/13/12 at 4:58 am to parkjas2001
quote:
Stopping the football program for this is like taking away a bank robbers drivers license.
No it would serve as a reminder to any other program that would ever think of pulling this horrifying shite from ever thinking of doing this. The fact of the matter is Joe Paterno was a horrible man who let a game, that hardly anyone over 18 plays, be more important than the innocent lives of dozens of boys. This incident took college football back 20 years, and should take Penn State back to the Stone Age. The foundation of that institute has been completely soiled and they will never be able to wash it away.
If people hadn't let Ole Miss forget the Meredith Incident after 50 years, do you really think that Penn State will be able to cleanse its name of this? An institute where rape, pedophilia, and destroying lives is written in the very fabric of its greatest moments? It's inexcusable for what happened here and dozens should be locked up with Sandusky for allowing this to continue.
Posted on 7/13/12 at 5:09 am to OMLandshark
This isnt really a football issue so i dont see how they could give them the death penalty
Had this all came out in the 80-90s with Sandusky still the D Coordinator and all that, then maybe you consider doing that just to sort everything out, but even then you are punishing the wrong people.
Sandusky is in Jail. Paterno is dead. Most of the leaders in this report will never work for Penn St again. None of those guys will be a part of Penn St football ever again, so how does it make sense to punish Penn St football? Thats like putting a murder's entire family under house arrest for 2 years after hes convicted. Makes zero sense.
Had this all came out in the 80-90s with Sandusky still the D Coordinator and all that, then maybe you consider doing that just to sort everything out, but even then you are punishing the wrong people.
Sandusky is in Jail. Paterno is dead. Most of the leaders in this report will never work for Penn St again. None of those guys will be a part of Penn St football ever again, so how does it make sense to punish Penn St football? Thats like putting a murder's entire family under house arrest for 2 years after hes convicted. Makes zero sense.
Posted on 7/13/12 at 5:59 am to Bulskinator
I cannot imagine a Penn State scandal at any SEC school.
Not that we are choir boys. Far from it. Many of us would let alums slip envelopes full of money to our players, hire "tudors" to do their work, eagerly pay daddy pimps a couple hundred thousand to sign their 5 star kids, smile approvingly as some of our finest southern belles bed prospective recruits, and so forth.....
But whatever else we may be, we do have a sense of honor in the south that does not knowingly tolerate one of our own butt raping children in our house.
Not that we are choir boys. Far from it. Many of us would let alums slip envelopes full of money to our players, hire "tudors" to do their work, eagerly pay daddy pimps a couple hundred thousand to sign their 5 star kids, smile approvingly as some of our finest southern belles bed prospective recruits, and so forth.....
But whatever else we may be, we do have a sense of honor in the south that does not knowingly tolerate one of our own butt raping children in our house.
This post was edited on 7/13/12 at 6:01 am
Posted on 7/13/12 at 6:30 am to Bulskinator
I absolutely would, I know that it is not the current staff or players fault, but that should not matter. The players should be granted an outright release. Someone has to be an example why not them
Posted on 7/13/12 at 6:40 am to LSUNV
The NCAA has a specific role and it doesn't include criminal justice or vengeance. If PSU wants to ever move past this they should discontinue their football program entirely. The administration, faculty, alumnai, current and former players as well as the local community will all carry this stain for many years to come.
In some ways this whole situation reminds me of a couple of old guys I used to play golf with who were U of Miami grads and absolutely loathed the Hurricane football program for the reputation it gave to a prestigious school. And this is almost infinitely worse than teenagers hanging out with Luther Campbell and dating porn stars.
In some ways this whole situation reminds me of a couple of old guys I used to play golf with who were U of Miami grads and absolutely loathed the Hurricane football program for the reputation it gave to a prestigious school. And this is almost infinitely worse than teenagers hanging out with Luther Campbell and dating porn stars.
Posted on 7/13/12 at 6:59 am to wildtigercat93
quote:
This isnt really a football issue so i dont see how they could give them the death penalty
You sound just like Joe Pa did right after Sandusky was arrested. How is this not a "Football" issue?
The first crime of rape of a child was committed by an active defensive co-ordinator of the Penn State football program in the Penn State Football facilities. It was decided by the Head Coach and the AD to cover up the incident.
The Head Coach and AD decided that instead of reporting the DC to the proper authorities, they decided to give him an extremely lucrative retirement package. A retirement package that included full use of all Penn State Football facilities, the ability to use the campus and facilities to promote and operate his "charity" that he used to exploit young boys.
Jerry Sandusky for a period of 12 years after he was retired by Penn State for having inappropriate relations with a 13 year old boy, used the Penn State Football Facilities to bring young boys to to execute his crimes. The Football facilities were the bait used by Sandusky to seduce these young boys. A Penn State graduate assistant found Sandusky in the act of anally raping a young boy in the Penn State Football Facilities. Again, Paterno, the AD, and VP of the University failed to report these actions.
These actions were not reported so that no shame would come to the Penn State Football Program and University. By reporting this incident it would hurt fundraising and hurt the image of the saintly Penn State Football Program.
How in the Hell is this not a Football issue?
If there has ever been a reason to bring down the hammer of justice to a football program this is it. We have idiots on this board giving SEC programs major grief for handing out cars, a few envelops, fixing a few grades, flying a kid home to see his sick parents, etc.... but when an entire University allows their Football Program to be the bait for a known child predator to use as his candy store to commit crimes we say it's not a football issue and the NCAA has no jurisdiction?
None of the victims will get their innocence back by putting Jerry Sandusky in jail. None of them will get the purity of their youth's back by suing the Unviversity. But......both must pay, and pay dearly for their crimes. Yes, The Penn State Football program must pay dearly for their major role in this most horrific acts that were done over a 14 year period.
Page 2 of 6
Popular
Back to top
Follow SECRant for SEC Football News