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Posted on 5/10/16 at 10:54 am to Robert Goulet
Posted on 5/10/16 at 10:54 am to Robert Goulet
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Perhaps. I am only going off of my own empirical data.
So 3 out of 5 people you talked to are retards?
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Posted on 5/10/16 at 11:04 am to Robert Goulet
I don't want my comments to be misunderstood. People can choose the lifestyle they prefer. God, for whatever reason, decided to give man free will, and those choices are a part of that. I assume it's because of His great love for mankind.
Man by default has a sinful nature, which allows for all manner of depravity. Scripture, as mentioned already, speaks to God allowing man to chase his depravity to his fill.
I have friends who are homosexual. We know each other well, and we discuss these issues openly. That is what is missing in today's world. SJW's want to shout down people who don't agree with their thinking, and you can't have an honest discussion as a result.
Make no mistake, God loves all people, Scripture is clear about that. How could I, as a follower, not do the same.
It doesn't mean though, that I can't have a foundation so stand on if need be. And for me, an openly homosexual minister is not someone I can listen to preach from the pulpit, knowing that it's contrary to God's will for his/her life.
Man by default has a sinful nature, which allows for all manner of depravity. Scripture, as mentioned already, speaks to God allowing man to chase his depravity to his fill.
I have friends who are homosexual. We know each other well, and we discuss these issues openly. That is what is missing in today's world. SJW's want to shout down people who don't agree with their thinking, and you can't have an honest discussion as a result.
Make no mistake, God loves all people, Scripture is clear about that. How could I, as a follower, not do the same.
It doesn't mean though, that I can't have a foundation so stand on if need be. And for me, an openly homosexual minister is not someone I can listen to preach from the pulpit, knowing that it's contrary to God's will for his/her life.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 11:07 am to mrbroker
If he was announcing it so as to repent. Yes/maybe depending on the circumstances.
If he was announcing it for the sake of saying "it's o.k." No.
If he was announcing it for the sake of saying "it's o.k." No.
This post was edited on 5/10/16 at 11:18 am
Posted on 5/10/16 at 11:09 am to kywildcatfanone
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Posted on 5/10/16 at 11:15 am to kywildcatfanone
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God, for whatever reason, decided to give man free will,
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knowing that it's contrary to God's will for his/her life.
So does God give man free will to live their life as they choose, or does God's will for man's life supercede that free will? These comments seem to contradict each other.
Seems to me if God truly does have His hand in all of life's events and loves everyone, people wouldn't be born gay and subjected to the treatment they sometimes receive, often times from those that purport to be the messengers of God's word. Or maybe God's just an a-hole with a twisted sense of humor. I don't know. I've never been able to reconcile that.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 11:24 am to The Spleen
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These comments seem to contradict each other.
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God, for whatever reason, decided to give man free will,
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knowing that it's contrary to God's will for his/her life
Not to me.....1st comment says you can do what you want...the 2nd says that you can do what you want even though God wants you to do something else.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 11:29 am to Wtodd
Maybe. To me it sounds like that situation where your wife/SO tells you it's okay to do something, but you know that "okay" is loaded and you're going to pay for it if you do that something.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 11:30 am to The Spleen
Yeah pretty much like that
Posted on 5/10/16 at 11:31 am to The Spleen
God gives us free will to make choices. Without that free will, the concept of Love cant exist. He's not playing puppet master, but That doesnt mean he doesnt have a guideline that he wants us to follow.
And people arent born gay. There is no gay gene. Some people are born with desires that other people dont have. Just like everyone who struggles with their own sins.
People have all sorts of deep-rooted desires, its just a matter of choosing to act on those desires and repenting when you struggle with them.
And people arent born gay. There is no gay gene. Some people are born with desires that other people dont have. Just like everyone who struggles with their own sins.
People have all sorts of deep-rooted desires, its just a matter of choosing to act on those desires and repenting when you struggle with them.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 11:34 am to The Spleen
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So does God give man free will to live their life as they choose, or does God's will for man's life supercede that free will?
God's will CAN supercede man's will, and there are Scriptural examples of that. God's ultimately love for man allows man to choose, but God's Word is clear that God's desire for man is to choose to follow Him.
God's unfailing love for man is why he allows man to choose, in spite of his ability to dictate. That's what true love really is.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 11:36 am to The Spleen
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but you know that "okay" is loaded and you're going to pay for it if you do that something.
And that is technically true as well.
I view it this way. If you love God (and your spouse in your scenario), you will want to do His/their will in a given situation.
You will choose what will honor Him/them.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 11:39 am to BHMKyle
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Jesus died on the cross to take care of everyone's sins (Romans 6:10). It clearly says in scripture that once we are in Christ, God remembers our sins no more (Hebrews 8:12). He cast our sins as far as the east is from the west (Psalm 103:12). And lastly, God is no longer counting our sins against us (2 Cor. 5:19). All because of Jesus' sacrifice!! That is how much he loves us!
I do not understand Christians who portray our God as a judgmental God who is tracking our good deeds and bad deeds... Many people falsely believe that God will punish us for bad behavior. But this is in direct contradiction to the word of God. Jesus took all of our punishment so that we could have his righteousness!
Being "righteous" is sort of like being pregnant. You can't be partly righteous, just as you can't be partly pregnant. You are either righteous, or you are not. Righteousness basically means "right standing" with God. And God clearly states that if we believe on Jesus, through faith (Romans 3:22), we have the righteousness of Christ (2 Cor. 5:21).
How can God punish the righteous? He sees us as perfect because we are covered in the blood.
This is literally the end of this thread.
You accept Jesus Christ and you try to live your life the best that you can. The sins you commit are already forgiven.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 11:47 am to kywildcatfanone
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It doesn't mean though, that I can't have a foundation so stand on if need be. And for me, an openly homosexual minister is not someone I can listen to preach from the pulpit, knowing that it's contrary to God's will for his/her life.
Absolutely. I think that there are plenty of people, religious or not, that have a foundation to stand on. That is why our society has been harmonious for the most part. Perhaps we are getting away from that some, but it does not correlate with someone being homosexual. A person does not choose to be gay. They might choose to wear dresses and makeup, but that is really of no consequence to me even though I prefer not to look at men in drag. The same loving god that you worship created that gay person.
America's christian population has latched onto this gay issue like it is going to sink God's empire and ruin America. The scripture is clear about many things and is followed if one agrees or not, which was my point. The veracity with which homosexuality is being attacked while other things go unnoticed is pretty telling.
I guess I just find christians to be much more judgmental about certain things, and like another poster said, it is so they can have people to look down upon. Their religion is a matter of convenience.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 1:01 pm to GumpInLex
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And people arent born gay. There is no gay gene. Some people are born with desires that other people dont have. Just like everyone who struggles with their own sins.
That's one of the dumbest statements I've ever read on homosexuality. Homosexuals are born with the desire to pursue a physical relationship with a member of the same sex, so yes they were born gay. That desire doesn't manifest itself until later in life, usually when sexual maturity is reached or early adulthood. Without exception, every gay person I've known in my life that has shared their story has said they knew they were gay from a very young age.
So why does God make people that are attracted to the same sex, yet calls that attraction, and acting upon it, an abomination, while at the same time says He loves everyone? Why does He say love is His greatest gift to mankind, yet the love between 2 women or 2 men is a sin?
I'll tel you why, because He didn't make those rules, man did. And they made them at a time when human thought and emotion weren't very evolved. I'd rather not live by some arbitrary rules made by men centuries ago. And that's not to say there aren't some great lessons in the Bible, because there are. Love and forgiveness are two incredible virtues to possess.
This post was edited on 5/10/16 at 1:03 pm
Posted on 5/10/16 at 2:06 pm to mrbroker
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if your pastor announced one day from the pulpit that he was a practicing homosexual?
Yeah, absolutely since he'd be willfully and knowingly living a life that is forbidden in the book he's supposed to be teaching.
We all sin, that's unavoidable. But I mean to say you're a practicing homo is intentionally doing so and that's not who you want leading the church.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 2:35 pm to The Spleen
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That's one of the dumbest statements I've ever read on homosexuality
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Homosexuals are born with the desire to pursue a physical relationship with a member of the same sex, so yes they were born gay.
I agree your second statement is incredibly dumb. People aren't born gay. It directly contradicts our desire to conquer and leave a legacy.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 2:37 pm to JamalSanders
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Lots of maybe in this. Every church that I have ever attended the Elders would remove the pastor from his position if he was a homosexual.
how Christian of them
Posted on 5/10/16 at 2:41 pm to cas4t
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how Christian of them
I think Christians wanting a good Christian being their pastor is perfectly within reason, do you not? What if the pastor was a drunkard or practicing drug user..would that change anything?
This post was edited on 5/10/16 at 2:43 pm
Posted on 5/10/16 at 2:44 pm to WG_Dawg
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Yeah, absolutely since he'd be willfully and knowingly living a life that is forbidden in the book he's supposed to be teaching.
And this just goes back to someone's question earlier in the thread. Why is the sin of homosexuality put on a pedestal so to speak? I see pastors driving fancy cars, living in extravagant homes, overweight, and that are divorced. Why aren't they removed from the pulpit? And to be fair, maybe they have been, or maybe you'd leave a church with a pastor such as I described. But there is still the perception that many Christians place more emphasis on some sins, especially homosexuality, while ignoring others.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 2:50 pm to WG_Dawg
Plenty of gay good Christians in the world
God loves them too and appreciates them spreading the gospel, even if they are doomed to Hell for being born with a chemical imbalance
comparing being gay to being a drunkard is ignorant
God loves them too and appreciates them spreading the gospel, even if they are doomed to Hell for being born with a chemical imbalance
comparing being gay to being a drunkard is ignorant
This post was edited on 5/10/16 at 2:51 pm
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