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re: Why should I be a liberal /Democrat?
Posted on 6/28/16 at 9:19 am to DarthRebel
Posted on 6/28/16 at 9:19 am to DarthRebel
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We can all try to say we are independent, but in reality you are one or the other.
Not for me personally.
I'm socially liberal but fiscally conservative. I'm not sure that candidate even exists.
Most of these candidates are extreme nutcases now. I can never figure out how they got in office in the first place.
This post was edited on 6/28/16 at 9:30 am
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Posted on 6/28/16 at 9:24 am to boogiewoogie1978
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I'm socially liberal but fiscally conservative. I'm not sure that candidate even exists.
We're working towards it and I have literally prayed that we get there soon. I could not care less about social politics. They don't run the country. Economic policy runs the country.
Posted on 6/28/16 at 9:32 am to MSU5
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You have to start by incentivizing people to work.
Stagnant wages, over-regulation of small business, high corporate taxes, and a broken incentive structure all have lead to this "problem". The incentive is there, make a better life, but there are a number of structural problems making this hard.
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There are plenty of countries around the world with phenomenal labor participation rates and unemployment rates that, as a whole, have a much more functional economy (obviously).
Give me five economies better functioning and more prosperous than the US economy.
Europe? Nope. China has significant problems. Japan is stagnant for the last two decades. India has growth but stiffled with corruption and basic sanitation issues. Brazil? Nope.
Posted on 6/28/16 at 9:39 am to bayoumuscle21
Some famous guy once said, "In all things moderation." We've become such a polarized nation that these words are sneered at and the extremists' voices have almost completely drowned out the wisdom associated with them.
Be a moderate.
Be a moderate.
Posted on 6/28/16 at 9:42 am to bayoumuscle21
Don't be. Remain independent and vote for who you believe the better candidate at the time is based on personal preference. Just educate yourself.
I personally couldn't fathom voting for any republican that was on the ticket this year. I'm not religious, I believe social rights matter, and I am sick of corporate America running our political system. My stance on immigration is liberal but I also agree with many on the right that we should probably slow down or halt allowing refugees into America until we get a handle on things.
shite is more complicated than deciding between being a republican or democrat.
I personally couldn't fathom voting for any republican that was on the ticket this year. I'm not religious, I believe social rights matter, and I am sick of corporate America running our political system. My stance on immigration is liberal but I also agree with many on the right that we should probably slow down or halt allowing refugees into America until we get a handle on things.
shite is more complicated than deciding between being a republican or democrat.
This post was edited on 6/28/16 at 10:08 am
Posted on 6/28/16 at 9:50 am to bayoumuscle21
Why do you have to "be" anything? Just believe what you believe and stop trying to pigeonhole yourself into a political group.
Posted on 6/28/16 at 9:57 am to Kentucker
Yeah I associate myself more with libertarians because social policy is absolutely choking this country to death. Social policy is swaying fiscally conservative voters away from the Republican party and it just fricking pisses me off.
Posted on 6/28/16 at 10:08 am to MSU5
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Social policy is swaying fiscally conservative voters away from the Republican party and it just fricking pisses me off.
Example?
Posted on 6/28/16 at 10:09 am to cas4t
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sick of corporate America running our political system
Agreed. This is the real problem, but the republican party does not hold a monopoly on this.
Being a politician has made many of these folks very, very rich. 99% of them don't know shite about being poor, and don't have the proper insight as to how to overcome it.
I like to think I'm independent, but there is no way in hell I'd vote for any of the republicans at our state level, and no way in hell I'd vote for any of the available democrats for national office.
Posted on 6/28/16 at 10:10 am to Kentucker
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Some famous guy once said, "In all things moderation." We've become such a polarized nation that these words are sneered at and the extremists' voices have almost completely drowned out the wisdom associated with them.
Be a moderate.
This is my stance tbh. And to the people wanting to say I'm a Republican point blank, I was a Jim Webb donor.
Republicans believe (or the ones that I know) that taxes should stay low to promote growth.
There should be a simpler tax code so the rich do not have a million loop holes.
My stances:
I am a Christian, so I don't think abortion or gay marriage are good things, but I also am not going to tell others what they can or can't do.
I believe in the second amendment, but also believe gun crimes should be prosecuted more heavily than they are presently.
I think immigration should be more controlled to a point where it helps America first and foremost. I'm tired of helping everyone else, when there are so many here who need help that were giving border jumpers. Not to sound like Trump, but I am very pro immigration.
Speaking of immigration it is appalling to see Obama wanting these Syrian refugees over here. These people create chaos wherever they go. Show me Muslim countries that are stable under Sharia and I may change my opinion. The liberal stance on Islam is probably the most sickening of all.
Many more opinions, but I'll stop there. I like having courteous discussion, rather than bashing one another. We learn so much more over intelligent conversation.
Posted on 6/28/16 at 10:18 am to cas4t
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Example?
Sure: The voter is adamant about free choice for women, but deep down inside are fiscally conservative. If the republican candidate advocated free choice, they would 100% vote republican. Instead they vote democrat. That is a very, very common situation in this country and I have witnessed this myself numerous times. Another example: The person who believes all individuals who advocate same sex marriage/ legalizing marijuana, etc. Those people typically tend to vote social policy over there fiscal policy because hey, they still have a job, car, nice things. SJW.
ETA: I would be willing to bet it is very rare in this country for an individual to let their fiscal policy beliefs (if existent, which probably 80% of the time, they're not) trump their social policy beliefs (which are there 95% of the time.) I firmly believe if the election were based off of economic and fiscal policy alone, the Republican party would win in a landslide every single year.
This post was edited on 6/28/16 at 10:24 am
Posted on 6/28/16 at 10:19 am to AUjim
you sound like me. Give me a republican who isn't going to shove religion down my throat, accept new social norms, and attack Wall St and large corporations...while still maintaining a fiscally conservative standpoint, and I'm in.
I don't care about free college, but I do think healthcare should be offered through the government, while still letting the Aetnas and Humanas of the world administer, as they are the experts. There are too many older folks who won't retire because the private marketplace is just too damn expensive. I also work in the insurance field and see how crooked health insurance is, and how carriers are making money hand over fist, even after Obamacare was implemented. People want to believe the government would frick it up, but there is some middle ground to be had.
I don't care about free college, but I do think healthcare should be offered through the government, while still letting the Aetnas and Humanas of the world administer, as they are the experts. There are too many older folks who won't retire because the private marketplace is just too damn expensive. I also work in the insurance field and see how crooked health insurance is, and how carriers are making money hand over fist, even after Obamacare was implemented. People want to believe the government would frick it up, but there is some middle ground to be had.
Posted on 6/28/16 at 10:24 am to Kentucker
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Some famous guy once said, "In all things moderation." We've become such a polarized nation that these words are sneered at and the extremists' voices have almost completely drowned out the wisdom associated with them.
Be a moderate.
This is the worst sort of fluff language. At best it's completely meaningless. At worst it throws away any standard of morality.
All things in moderation...
Slavery? I'm a moderate
Nazism? Well, it has its pros and cons.
Pedophilia? Has to be taken on a case by case basis. We don't want to be extremists, after all.
Point being: things are either right or wrong. Take a stance and don't be a thoughtless moderate.
This post was edited on 6/28/16 at 10:26 am
Posted on 6/28/16 at 10:24 am to MSU5
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Another example: The person who believes all individuals who advocate same sex marriage/ legalizing marijuana, etc. Those people typically tend to vote social policy over there fiscal policy because hey, they still have a job, car, nice things. SJW.
Many people are directly affected by social policy. It's not some concept like you make it out to be. There's nothing worse than someone who thinks fiscal policy is more important than social policy. They are both important to people, in different aspects. That line of thinking is obviously antiquated.
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The voter is adamant about free choice for women, but deep down inside are fiscally conservative. If the republican candidate advocated free choice, they would 100% vote republican.
This would have made sense a hundred years ago. The republican party as of late picks and chooses when government should and shouldn't be involved. The party changed; not the people. And it has everything to do with religion.
Posted on 6/28/16 at 10:26 am to AUjim
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but the republican party does not hold a monopoly on this
I am of the opinion that neither Republicans nor Democrats have a monopoly on solutions to political problems, nor do either hold a monopoly on the causes for those political problems. They both frick up, and they both have solid ideas.
I also don't believe there is such thing as fiscal conservatism in today's politics. What's packaged as fiscal conservatism is just cutting programs they don't believe in. I cringe whenever I see someone label themselves a fiscal conservative.
Posted on 6/28/16 at 10:26 am to cas4t
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Many people are directly affected by social policy. It's not some concept like you make it out to be. There's nothing worse than someone who thinks fiscal policy is more important than social policy. They are both important to people, in different aspects. That line of thinking is obviously antiquated.
Wait. You honestly believe fiscal policy is not more important than social policy?
Posted on 6/28/16 at 10:28 am to MSU5
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Wait. You honestly believe fiscal policy is not more important than social policy?
I'm assuming you didn't read my post in it's entirety. It's going to matter more or less to different people, in different situations. You and I are likely not affected by the vast majority of social policy. Plenty of other people are affected by it, on a daily basis. The rights of the American citizen shouldn't be put on the back burner. We are capable of discussing both. Ya know, multitasking.
Posted on 6/28/16 at 10:33 am to bayoumuscle21
BE A SOCIALIST THEN
Posted on 6/28/16 at 10:35 am to cas4t
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The rights of the American citizen shouldn't be put on the back burner.
That's why I believe the Republican party should move away from the old conservative baby boomer social policy guidelines and become more moderate socially. It is absolutely crucial to get the fricking correct policy in place. Stop letting gay marriage hold us back economically. Let them get married. If people want to smoke dope, let them. Remove the policies that are in place and tear down the barriers that are keeping this economy from flourishing.
Posted on 6/28/16 at 10:36 am to bayoumuscle21
American values come first
frick Obama and all crazy nut liberals
frick Obama and all crazy nut liberals
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