re: The Liberal Redneck

I wish more rational liberals would post there. All we ever get are shitposters and daily kos trolls

It's an echo chamber because the rational libs and libertarians abandoned it. If more would come back, it wouldn't be

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It's an echo chamber because the rational libs and libertarians abandoned it. If more would come back, it wouldn't be

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I'm a small government Libertarian. I enjoy talks about everything from fiscal conservatism to Hamilton/Madison's discussions in the Federalist Papers.

Needless to say, Madison is my hero. The greatest political mind the United States has ever produced. I believe in individual liberty, cutting costs, property rights, and an individual's pursuit of happiness.

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It's an echo chamber because the rational libs and libertarians abandoned it. If more would come back, it wouldn't be

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it unfortunately is. again, i just shitpost over there for funsies. you can have legitimate discourse on OTB from both sides until tillman shows up.

both sides feel they need to double down instead of thinking the other side could possibly have a point

spleen even is way more rational on here than he is there.

He's right that neither party is worth a damn, and our political system is finished, as is our country. It's only a matter of time before we become a larger Mexico with no middle class.

I've re-read through most of this thread and God, where to begin?

First of all, I've seen plenty of finger pointing at those evil racist Democrats (as if the Democratic party of the 1800s-1960's is the same exact party as the one in 2017) but what about the sins of the Republican party? Yes LBJ and the Dems led the war on poverty and even started the war on crime, but Republicans quickly took over that mantle along with starting the war on drugs. Both of which devastated a large number of black communities, even to this day.

And let's not forget that what few Black people who could vote in the early 20th century overwhelmingly voted Republican for almost a century. And what did they have to show for that? Yes, they were "free" thanks to Repubs, but they still lived in rigidly segregated cities with little job opportunities or means to move up in life. And the republicans-just like the democrats- did little to nothing to improve their situations, despite having the black vote. That's why they were slowly moving over to the Left even before the civil rights act of 1964. So please, spare me this whole argument that the GOP was the only morally pure party fighting against those evil racist white democrats.

And speaking of the GOP, you think Republicans would get a fricking clue that you won't win support from blacks and minorities by continuously insulting them and belittling their problems. No one wants to support a party who thinks that the only reason why they're poor is because they're all lazy, or want a free handout, or want whitey to suffer or at least give out reparations for slavery. Yes like any race there are lazy leeches who wants the government to take care of them. But there are plenty of poor black people who wake up early everyday to go to work, provide for their families, and pay their fair share, just like plenty of whites. It's not their fault that they can't move up in life, and its certainly not for a lack of trying. The wealth gap is increasing and income inequality is still a major problems for all americans. There just aren't that many people moving from the have nots to the haves, especially if you don't have a college degree.

Also like me and Tbird have said countless times the Black community does not exist. Not in the sense that we don't share the same culture, but more in the sense that we all don't act and think the same way. Like literally any other race group we are just too diverse and spread out amongst ourselves to hold the same values. So this whole "destruction of the black family" nonsense is fairly overblown. Now I'm not saying having a father and a mother in a child's life won't have a positive impact but I know plenty of black people who are successful without ever knowing their father. I also know people who are frickups despite growing up in a stable family. A lot of it comes down to who the person is more so than family life. And believe it or not a large percentage of black people (particularly black baby boomers and Gen Xers) are actually socially conservative. They love Jesus and hate the gays just as much as anyone on the religious right, and are strong advocates for traditional family values.

Finally people need to stop thinking that black people are incapable of thinking for themselves. You don't think they watch the news, or were following the election on their own, or are interested in the values and stances of their local and national politicians on both sides? This myth that black people are blindly voting dem because they're too stupid to vote for someone else or that they're so naive to the fact that the Dems aren't their friends is so stupid its insulting. Yes Democrats shamelessly pander to Blacks, just like Trump and Republicans shamelessly pandered to the poor white working class and the christian conservatives. It's how literally every single politician gets elected. But you already know that there are black republicans and black independents in this country, and they didn't get there because they suddenly took of the wool over their eyes. They-like the millions of other black voters- carefully and thoroughly weighed their options and decided that Trump was the better option. Just like the millions of black Dem voters who did the same thing and voted for Clinton. I'm not going to get into another Clinton/Trump debate but I will say that black voters are informed. They know that Clinton wasn't an ideal choice in the slightest, but Trump and the GOP drove them away, as they have for the past 40 years or so.


TLDR (because this is important) Black people as a whole don't blindly vote Dem because they don't know any better, they just feel that the Left supports their values more so than those on the Right, and the Right hasn't done nearly enough to push their message. This is a shame because a lot of the

It astounds me that a website that is 97% white knows whats best for a group of people that they hardly interact with. You can't even begin to comprehend black people's problems when the only interaction you have with black people is cheering them on at a football game or saying 30 or 40 words a week to a black co worker (and most of those words are spent talking about said football game).

And I'm not saying this as one of those "woe is me! I'm so oppressed. My life sucks because of systematic racism and white privilege" black guys either. I know I have it better than a lot of people in the world. The only thing I really want out of people is to just step outside of their cultural bubble and just see how the other side lives. You don't need to agree with their opinions, just understand WHY they feel this way, and WHAT caused them to come to this conclusion.

It's more interesting that THAT is what you got out of reading that.

No, just of all the things that could have come to the forefront of your itty bitty very predictable mind after reading that, it was what you posted.

How are things there in the north? I bet it's very white. White snow, white mountains, fat white pasty pimply people.

You must find it very simple and comforting.

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Interesting you start a post with the idea that there is no Black Community then spent a couple of paragraphs arguing against that idea.

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Well of course there are actual all black communities. We still have several neighborhoods and towns that are exclusively black. I'm just saying that Black people as a whole aren't a monolith.