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re: The Liberal Redneck
Posted on 1/26/17 at 10:31 am to 3nOut
Posted on 1/26/17 at 10:31 am to 3nOut
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it's the one thing about being a "republican" that kills me right now. at the end of the day i really think we've made some great strides as a country, but there's still some sucky shite that have gotten a lot of the black communities to where they are and keeps them there. if the left would apply some of the rights personal responsibility and the right would learn some of the left's compassion, maybe it could get fixed.
I agree that there definitely needs to be an emphasis on personal responsibility from the left. I think the fear is that once you open that can of worms that there will be less help given to those who truly need it.
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here's where i say it's not red vs. blue issue. the problem is that the left has been taken over by marxist and the right has been held by the balls at the hands of the religious right (i'm a religious dude on the right trying to know thine thyself) for so long that the issues aren't even true liberal vs. conservative arguments anymore
I think Marxist is a strong word to use. I'm a progressive but I absolutely believe in capitalism. I just feel that there are some areas of society which should be about how we treat people morally as opposed to how much we can profit financially. Honestly, I think most Christians would agree with this as well. Its the social issues that keep dividing us.
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Posted on 1/26/17 at 10:31 am to TeLeFaWx
Dems treat the poor blacks as of they are wards of the State.
Posted on 1/26/17 at 10:32 am to piggilicious
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The alternative as in Hillary. And I agree with him.
I wasn't excited about Hilary either.
Posted on 1/26/17 at 10:34 am to Year of the Dragon
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I think Marxist is a strong word to use. I'm a progressive but I absolutely believe in capitalism. I just feel that there are some areas of society which should be about how we treat people morally as opposed to how much we can profit financially. Honestly, I think most Christians would agree with this as well. Its the social issues that keep dividing us.
maybe i should have kept the cultural marxism in the statement. there's a difference.
Posted on 1/26/17 at 10:34 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Your statements here hilight why your party is losing power. You just don't get it. I doubt you know who Sowell is, or the definition of cultural marxism.
I think I've already stated why I think we have lost power and how we can get it back. Neither have anything to do with this.
Posted on 1/26/17 at 10:36 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Dems treat the poor blacks as of they are wards of the State
Good lord.....
Posted on 1/26/17 at 10:39 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Dems treat the poor blacks as of they are wards of the State.
Absolutely. I have a friend who is a second generation Filipino Muslim whose mom came to McAllen, Texas, the absolute shithole of the state, and made $13/hr wiping asses as a nurse and has three successful children all making six figures under the ager of 30. The American dream is alive and well. You can escape abject poverty even in the worst conditions. It's difficult. It's hard. But it's absolutely delusional to believe that treating poor blacks as wards of the state for generations hasn't been an abject failure. Given how successful every other minority group has been over the past 50 years, even in equally shitty situations, blacks being held behind is a real issue, and the Democrats have treated them as their pet projects. No black man or woman is genetically inferior in any way to any other race. Poor black communities in Western Europe, where they had Nazis, active racist political parties, and still to this day have to have signs at sports events to tell people NOT to be racist... they do better than poor black communities in America. There is no genetic or racial component to this in any way. This is the bigotry of low expectations that the liberal Democrats in this country forced on the black family, ripping it apart.
Posted on 1/26/17 at 10:44 am to Year of the Dragon
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I think Marxist is a strong word to use. I'm a progressive but I absolutely believe in capitalism
Cultural marxism isn't economic.
Compassion isn't exhibited by voting someone else's tax money to "help" the poor. Compassion is illustrated on an individual level. The Dems have become the "anti conservative party" and totally lost the,middle class/lower middle class working man.
Posted on 1/26/17 at 10:47 am to TeLeFaWx
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believe that before the Welfare State, black Americans were born out of wedlock less frequently than white Americans. In two generations, being born out of wedlock is now the highest in the Western world. How did American society become so actively racist, that even when for every black child born in the past 40 years there is a black child that was aborted, even in light of that, how else was the black family destroyed? I believe that the black family survived slavery and Jim Crow, but not the Welfare State, because it is a fact. Now we can disagree on why this fact is the way it is, but I'll give you my perspective. After the liberal Democrats told the black community that they deserved free housing, free food, and whatever else they desired, it destroyed a shared sense of community. Telling young men that they don't need to take care of their children because the government will do it, destroys families. Stripping away personal responsibility destroys culture. Now. You can have an alternative explanation, and I'd love to discuss that, but since you're just painting me as, "finding one black person to support my beliefs" I don't think this will lead anywhere
Honestly, I wish I had time to discuss further but I've got to get back to work. I know.....I'm democrat who actually works. I feel like a lot of the reason blacks are poor in the south has to do with institutional racism and the breaking up of the family by using the prison system as way to carry out this policy. I know....Bill Clinton didn't do any favors here. Also, it's fair to mention that the schools in poor black communities are not helping.
By in large, it is more difficult to come out of poverty. Especially, when you are facing racism every step of the way. It's easy to put the blame on Liberal Democrats for keeping people in poverty due to all the "free" stuff. I think when you lose the hope that you will ever get out of your current situation, you will take what you can to get by.
Posted on 1/26/17 at 10:47 am to TeLeFaWx
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to McAllen, Texas, the absolute shithole of the state
McAllen is the lone bright light of that part of the state man. go to donna, weslaco, edinburg, or la jolla just 8 miles from there.
Posted on 1/26/17 at 10:47 am to TeLeFaWx
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This is the bigotry of low expectations that the liberal Democrats in this country forced on the black family, ripping it apart.
Correct.
I've not much faith in the Republicans either, it seems like we're trapped in one big booger flinging contest to carve up the country.
Posted on 1/26/17 at 10:50 am to Year of the Dragon
Your belief that racism is the cause of their plight is highly ironic. The great society wasn't set up to liberate people from poverty, it was set up to create a permanent, dependent and loyal voting bloc.
Posted on 1/26/17 at 10:50 am to RogerTheShrubber
Cultural marxism isn't economic. Compassion isn't exhibited by voting someone else's tax money to "help" the poor. Compassion is illustrated on an individual level.
Do you count on people to do this on their own?
Social issues have isolated a lot of this class. Liberal elites are another reason. The Dems, like most political parties, were corrupted by big money.
Do you count on people to do this on their own?
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The Dems have become the "anti conservative party" and totally lost the,middle class/lower middle class working man.
Social issues have isolated a lot of this class. Liberal elites are another reason. The Dems, like most political parties, were corrupted by big money.
This post was edited on 1/26/17 at 10:58 am
Posted on 1/26/17 at 10:53 am to RogerTheShrubber
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The great society wasn't set up to liberate people from poverty, it was set up to create a permanent, dependent and loyal voting bloc.
Please.... Do you think it is ok for people to live in poverty?
And. Gotta go. I'll respond later if I get a chance.
This post was edited on 1/26/17 at 10:55 am
Posted on 1/26/17 at 11:00 am to Year of the Dragon
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Please.... Do you think it is ok for people to live in poverty?
i think it is "OK" for people to live in poverty, but i don't like it.
there's no utopia where we don't have the poor man. venezuela and russia tried it and it failed.
where i think the disconnect you're getting from roger with his great society and wards of the state statements is that singling out a race and saying "hey we're going to give you money and benefits as a poor person" has not inspired those poor people to rise out of poverty or poordom. it continues to enable it.
the idea is that we (the government) don't think you can rise out of this situation by yourself, so we will give you money and help you limp along, but please remember the one side that keeps wanting to give you money and vote accordingly is suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuper racist.
again, to me it's not a black and white (the metaphor, not the races) or red vs. blue problem. it's a culture problem.
This post was edited on 1/26/17 at 11:09 am
Posted on 1/26/17 at 11:04 am to 3nOut
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McAllen is the lone bright light of that part of the state man. go to donna, weslaco, edinburg, or la jolla just 8 miles from there.
Well that whole part of the state sucks donkey dick. Actually I think Karnes City/Kenedy/Cuero/Yorktown is worse, but they are closer to civilization.
Posted on 1/26/17 at 11:05 am to Year of the Dragon
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Please.... Do you think it is ok for people to live in poverty?
I think the Great Society did more to keep people in poverty than lift them out.
Posted on 1/26/17 at 11:08 am to TeLeFaWx
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Well that whole part of the state sucks donkey dick.
well yeah. but to single out McAllen is dishonest.
sometimes i think the trip to there i take a few times a year is God's justice for unpunished sins.
Posted on 1/26/17 at 11:10 am to 3nOut
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i think it is "OK" for people to live in poverty, but i don't like it. there's no utopia where we don't have the poor man. venezuela and russia tried it and it failed
Seriously, after this, I've got to go. I do understand that you can't eliminate poverty altogether. The thing I find disturbing is the ever increasing gap between the rich and the poor. I'm just saying we can do more to help these people at least have a decent standard of living. I know, they have cell phones, T.V.'s etc, and have a higher standard than most other countries. However, I don't think any of us would want to live like they do on a daily basis.
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where i think the disconnect you're getting from roger with his great society and wards of the state statements is that singling out a race and saying "hey we're going to give you money and benefits as a poor person" has not inspired those poor people to rise out of poverty or poordom. it continues to enable it. the idea is that we (the government) don't think you can rise out of this situation by yourself, so we will give you money and help you limp along, but please remember the one side that keeps wanting to give you money and vote accordingly.
I agree that there is most certainly people who abuse the system. Although, I disagree about it enabling them to remain poor. There are a lot of factors involved that cause people to stay in poverty.
Posted on 1/26/17 at 11:20 am to Year of the Dragon
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Seriously, after this, I've got to go.
i know you need to go and don't mean to keep you, but i appreciate the honest conversation without name calling or anybody getting labeled a racist.
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I agree that there is most certainly people who abuse the system. Although, I disagree about it enabling them to remain poor. There are a lot of factors involved that cause people to stay in poverty.
i worry less about people abusing of the system than i do the system abusing the people at this point. That, we may not see eye to eye on, but if we can have a conversation where the other side isn't inherently evil, racist, or literally Hitler, we can start to make a difference for the less fortunate with our time, charity, and voting.
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