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re: The Liberal Redneck
Posted on 1/26/17 at 10:00 am to pvilleguru
Posted on 1/26/17 at 10:00 am to pvilleguru
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I think they are both equally true.
they're really not. maybe on a sliding scale, but the poorest areas of the south went blue and have been for decades. but wouldn't that indicate that the poorer you are, the more likely you are to vote democrat regardless of race?
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I mean, almost every county that isn't majority black voted red.
and almost every area that is majority black is in the most poverty and has been for decades.
i think maybe you're misunderstanding my point. i don't think voting red or blue is the issue. i hate way more republicans (especially in the south) than i do democrats and find a lot of them to be way more dishonest and reprehensible than their friends on the left. i'm saying that trying to diminish a voting block based on their ethnicity or poverty level doesn't look very good for either side.
This post was edited on 1/26/17 at 10:04 am
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Posted on 1/26/17 at 10:01 am to Year of the Dragon
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Actually, I wouldn't use the word sad. He's pissed to see his people, poor white southerners, vote for someone who doesn't give a damn about them
No one cares about them.
Posted on 1/26/17 at 10:03 am to 3nOut
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trying to diminish a voting block based on their ethnicity or poverty level doesn't look very good for either side.
Agree with this. Liberal elites have been ignoring the South and other rural areas for decades. It really pisses me off that they write off an entire region of the country as just being too ignorant to reach.
Posted on 1/26/17 at 10:05 am to RogerTheShrubber
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No one cares about them.
Somewhat agree. Too much money in politics and the machine keeps rolling while the poor get left behind.
Posted on 1/26/17 at 10:08 am to Year of the Dragon
No, the Democrats are cultural Marxists. They demonize poor whites. The Dems have been hijacked by third wave feminism and are screwing themselves in the process.
Posted on 1/26/17 at 10:08 am to 3nOut
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now there is some systematic racism that got those areas to be in such poverty and it sucks
Absolutely correct.
Posted on 1/26/17 at 10:11 am to Year of the Dragon
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Absolutely correct.
it's the one thing about being a "republican" that kills me right now. at the end of the day i really think we've made some great strides as a country, but there's still some sucky shite that have gotten a lot of the black communities to where they are and keeps them there. if the left would apply some of the rights personal responsibility and the right would learn some of the left's compassion, maybe it could get fixed.
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No, the Democrats are cultural Marxists.
here's where i say it's not red vs. blue issue. the problem is that the left has been taken over by marxist and the right has been held by the balls at the hands of the religious right (i'm a religious dude on the right trying to know thine thyself) for so long that the issues aren't even true liberal vs. conservative arguments anymore.
This post was edited on 1/26/17 at 10:15 am
Posted on 1/26/17 at 10:12 am to Year of the Dragon
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The Democratic Plantation has done more to destroy the black family unit, perpetuate the cycle of poverty, and keep people poor than any Republican policy I can think of. What I don't understand is why anyone believes Democratic "woe is me, white privilege is the root of all evil" policy works. The black family survived slavery and Jim Crow, but was decimated when the Democrats took control of black people via the welfare state. When Democrats believed their bureaucracy and redistribution of wealth could save the poor, that's only when they truly made it the problem it is today
You're kidding right??
As the great Thomas Sowell once said:
Posted on 1/26/17 at 10:14 am to 3nOut
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gotten a lot of the black communities to where they are and keeps them there. if the left would apply some of the rights personal responsibility and the right would learn some of the left's compassion, maybe it could get fixed.
Subtle racism of low expectations has been the issue. Government policy keeps poor black people poor.
Posted on 1/26/17 at 10:16 am to RogerTheShrubber
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No, the Democrats are cultural Marxists.
What???
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They demonize poor whites
I do feel like some Dems do a very poor job of trying to reach out on issues that are important to poor southern white people. The Portland, Oregon Barista types of individuals are absolutely guilty of demonizing poor whites on social issues. Republicans are masters at demonizing all poor people as just lazy freeloaders.
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The Dems have been hijacked by third wave feminism and are screwing themselves in the process.
The SJW phenomena is doing the left no favors and is definitely isolating voters.
This post was edited on 1/26/17 at 10:25 am
Posted on 1/26/17 at 10:16 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Subtle racism of low expectations has been the issue. Government policy keeps poor black people poor.
yes. yes it does.
i honestly blame the christian right. if we spent less time trying to not bake cakes and spent more time taking care of the poor and downtrodden like we're supposed to we wouldn't be here.
This post was edited on 1/26/17 at 10:18 am
Posted on 1/26/17 at 10:18 am to TeLeFaWx
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As the great Thomas Sowell once said:
Congrats on finding a black person quote to support your beliefs.
Posted on 1/26/17 at 10:18 am to 3nOut
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i honestly blame the christians right.
What?
The war on drugs and the war on poverty are to blame. Stop treating black folks like a ward of the state. They are humans
Posted on 1/26/17 at 10:20 am to 3nOut
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it's the one thing about being a "republican" that kills me right now. at the end of the day i really think we've made some great strides as a country, but there's still some sucky shite that have gotten a lot of the black communities to where they are and keeps them there. if the left would apply some of the rights personal responsibility and the right would learn some of the left's compassion, maybe it could get fixed.
I think the Right often times admits that there are systematic issues in this country. I see it all the time. However. The Left will never admit that ANY problems within the poorest areas of this country are self inflicted. Personal responsibility isn't something they are hesitant to accept, it's something they readily reject as evil. They think it's immoral to treat people as if they can help themselves. I truly believe that. This narrative of "white privilege" and "systematic racism" is not just a part of the problem, a component of the larger problems. It is the problem. Victim status is the only acceptable narrative to these people. No mind that second generation Indo-Chinese blow away white people by almost every metric in this country. It's impossible for any "person of color" to lift themselves up by the bootstraps. It's impossible.
And if I read what I just wrote two years ago, I would have thought that was the rantings of a crazy person. But after being exposed to the narratives and discussing things with very left wing people, their radical agenda is 100% obvious to me. Social Justice Warriors are real, and they are terrifying.
Posted on 1/26/17 at 10:22 am to Year of the Dragon
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What do you mean by alternative people?
The alternative as in Hillary. And I agree with him.
Posted on 1/26/17 at 10:22 am to RogerTheShrubber
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What?
The war on drugs and the war on poverty are to blame. Stop treating black folks like a ward of the state. They are humans
i'm not arguing that those are both to blame as well.
i'm just saying as a christian, if we spent half our energy the last 2 decades from trying to stop gays from marrying and people from using weed as we had working on poor, black, hispanic, or inner city needs, we would be in a better place.
the push back from a lot of the religious right lead to the cultural marxism we have to endure today.
Posted on 1/26/17 at 10:23 am to Year of the Dragon
quote:Your statements here hilight why your party is losing power. You just don't get it. I doubt you know who Sowell is, or the definition of cultural marxism.
Congrats on finding a black person quote to support your beliefs.
This post was edited on 1/26/17 at 10:30 am
Posted on 1/26/17 at 10:25 am to 3nOut
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they're really not. maybe on a sliding scale, but the poorest areas of the south went blue and have been for decades. but wouldn't that indicate that the poorer you are, the more likely you are to vote democrat regardless of race?
But we were specifically talking about poor whites. You don't have to be in poverty to be poor.
Posted on 1/26/17 at 10:27 am to Year of the Dragon
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Congrats on finding a black person quote to support your beliefs.
I believe that before the Welfare State, black Americans were born out of wedlock less frequently than white Americans. In two generations, being born out of wedlock is now the highest in the Western world. How did American society become so actively racist, that even when for every black child born in the past 40 years there is a black child that was aborted, even in light of that, how else was the black family destroyed? I believe that the black family survived slavery and Jim Crow, but not the Welfare State, because it is a fact. Now we can disagree on why this fact is the way it is, but I'll give you my perspective.
After the liberal Democrats told the black community that they deserved free housing, free food, and whatever else they desired, it destroyed a shared sense of community. Telling young men that they don't need to take care of their children because the government will do it, destroys families. Stripping away personal responsibility destroys culture.
Now. You can have an alternative explanation, and I'd love to discuss that, but since you're just painting me as, "finding one black person to support my beliefs" I don't think this will lead anywhere.
This post was edited on 1/26/17 at 10:29 am
Posted on 1/26/17 at 10:30 am to 3nOut
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the push back from a lot of the religious right lead to the cultural marxism we have to endure today.
I agree and disagree. I think the right played a role, but I think it was created from the left.
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