re: The Liberal Redneck

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Although, I disagree about it enabling them to remain poor. There are a lot of factors involved that cause people to stay in poverty.

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Yes, I believe people can show compassion without government coersion.

The system is abusive, not the people. Once you understand it will change your perspective.

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Yes, I believe people can show compassion without government coersion. The system is abusive, not the people. Once you understand it will change your perspective

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We can agree to disagree.

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We can agree to disagree

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I have faith in people, not government

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i shite post on the poli board. i have rational conversation here. i get downvotes for saying things like "there's actual systematic racism that's hurting blacks, but BLM is still a POS organization," or "i don't love Barrack Obama, but he actually did a few good things."

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I can't even shitepost there. Can you imagine a progressive on that board? Their heads would explode. Honestly, I'm quite surprised Tillman hasn't showed up yet to hijack this thread.

Let them keep those downvotes coming. God forbid you make some statement that doesn't align with their echo chamber.

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I have faith in both.

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Meh. I believe the road to hell is paved with good intentions, but the escalation of commitment is true malice. I don't think liberals knew the Great Society, the Welfare State, and the soft bigotry of low expectations was going to destroy the black family, but the willful ignorance to refuse to even entertain the negatives consequences of the welfare state is where liberals lose me. Right wingers do the same thing with different issues and it disgusts me. Year after year, the cycle of poverty continues. More and more black families are destroyed, and more and more the Left blames white privilege instead of looking inward.

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I have faith in both.

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You'll grow out of it.

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I don't think liberals knew the Great Society, the Welfare State, and the soft bigotry of low expectations was going to destroy the black family, but the willful ignorance to refuse to even entertain the negatives consequences of the welfare state is where liberals lose me. Right wingers do the same thing with different issues and it disgusts me. Year after year, the cycle of poverty continues. More and more black families are destroyed, and more and more the Left blames white privilege instead of looking inward.

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The response to the crack-cocaine boom in the inner city doomed the GOP with Black folks. If they treated the crack wave like the current opioid wave and courted Blacks with more respect than the Dems, Blacks would be GOP voters for life.

Reagan instead basically declared war on drugs and allowed it to be framed as an inner city issue.

The Rand Pauls and Marco Rubios have an opportunity to reverse all this.

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The Rand Pauls have an opportunity to reverse all this

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and Marco Rubios

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It is why discussing politics in general with most people is not worth the time or effort sadly. Too many people see things as so black and white.

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I don't think that will change any time soon. It's amazing how much information is readily available at people's fingertips, but when they stare at SINGLE contradiction to their black and white world, their minds shut off. If one piece of evidence threatens to unravel someone's world view, then their world view is shitty to begin with.

Whenever I get in discussions with my liberal friends about "systematic racism" and "white privilege", I don't see any critical thinking. None. They see disparate impact, and their minds are made up. But I try to have an open ended discussion anyway and I always begin with this question: "why were black children born to single mothers at lower rates than white children in the 1950s, and why is it now at 78%? Why did the black family survive a time when "systematic racism" wasn't just the result of micro-aggressions, but the actual law of the land? How was it able to survive when black kids couldn't go to school with white kids, when they couldn't drink at the same water fountain as a white person, when laws prevented black people from voting, but it can't survive now?"

Their minds short circuit. Either they didn't realize that the black family has been systematically destroyed(their white guilt led them to assume black people have always had a fatherless community problem), and if they did, they didn't realize the black family used to be much more consistent... but stronger than the white family. Only 27% of black children are now born with a father in the household. And you know what's a terrifying statistic to provide even more context to this? Since 1990, 4.4 million black babies have been aborted. 4.4 million. If we saved all these children, they could have become the second largest city in this country. But had these 4.4 million babies been born... that 27% figure would be much worse. Why does this matter? Well. There is no greater indicator for poverty in this country than being born to a single mother. Not gender, not race, not sexual orientation(gays do much better overall anyway), not religion... having a father is the strongest indicator. With all the implicit biases the left decries, being white and born to a single mother is worse than being born black and with a father. Given how desperately the far Left wing has tried to demonize the "traditional" family for 50 years, you can start see why this would cause some cognitive dissonance. But let's stay on a more focused topic...

How every single problem that's ever happened to any minority in this country was brainstormed by a bunch of rich white guys at the country club. Happenstance, cultural shifts, bad government policy, and personal responsibility don't matter. It's all white people's fault. But even if liberals are smart enough to agree that the greatest problem facing the black community isn't a cop pulling over a black guy for speeding more often than he would a white guy, and it's actually that there are now multiple generations of black kids growing up without fathers teaching them strong values that can make them successful in the United States... they still blame rich white supremacists for the state of black families.

The main argument I've seen, even in this thread, is the evil white supremacists and the War on Drugs put all the black fathers in jail. Except this narrative is completely false. Don't believe me? Here is an NPR report that breaks from the mold and entertains the idea that it wasn't Ronald Reagan and his army of Republicans. Be warned that NPR is a left wing creation, this article is very brief, but they simply offer an opposing view point that doesn't fit the falsehood perpetuated. At the very least be eye opening enough to incite further research. Sadly, no liberal I've ever talked to has made an effort to walk down that rabbit hole. They don't want their world view challenged.

Now. There is actually one really compelling argument about white flight that I actually do believe. I've researched it, I think it's a direct consequence of the Great Society and public housing projects being targeted as a solution to every black person's problems... but there are some convincing infrastructure arguments beyond that. However, I never get far enough to ever discuss that and explore that side of the debate with a liberal, even though I'd love to. Why? Because they so adamantly reject the possibility that any problems are self inflicted or the fault of delusional but well intentioned Democratic policies, and that they are solely the result of white supremacists, that it's impossible. However. If you are willing to take the red pill and see how deep the rabbit hole goes read this piece by David Clarke. I don't actually agree completely with the Sheriff here, but it's a great starting point for those completely stuck in the "white privilege" narrative. It should be a great opportunity to see a balanced perspective on an issue. And if you don't agree with the Sheriff, if his words start to trigger you... look up his evidence. Try and see why he might be misinformed. It's not hard. We have the internet.