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Posted on 4/16/15 at 9:26 am to TeLeFaWx
Posted on 4/16/15 at 9:26 am to TeLeFaWx
What is the risk of vaccinated children contracted the disease if a non vaccinate kid is present?
Now let's say that lots of people to no vaccination and outbreak does start to become more frequent. After a very small amount of media coverage the general public would run out and very one would start getting vaccinated again , problem solved..
We should require everyone to get vaccinated as well as ban any car from being able to exceed 75 mph and also every car be installed with a breathalyzer before engine can be started
Now let's say that lots of people to no vaccination and outbreak does start to become more frequent. After a very small amount of media coverage the general public would run out and very one would start getting vaccinated again , problem solved..
We should require everyone to get vaccinated as well as ban any car from being able to exceed 75 mph and also every car be installed with a breathalyzer before engine can be started
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Posted on 4/16/15 at 9:29 am to CheeseburgerEddie
Posted on 4/16/15 at 9:31 am to TeLeFaWx
See, no need to require anything by law or infringe on our freedoms because any problem which may or may not arise would be self corrected
Posted on 4/16/15 at 9:36 am to aggressor
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Medical science is ever evolving
Agreed. However, we have to go with what we know right now. Rubella has major health problems even for survivors including hardening of the heart muscles. Measles is highly contagious and deadly. Mumps causes sterility in survivors. Polio was a major cause of paralysis and death in children. TB used to kill millions.
Immunizations aren't perfect and never have been. But the health problems of today are growing for a whole host of reasons we don't fully understand. You mentioned Celiac, which is an allergy to Gluten. Some interesting research recently has suggested food allergies in general may be caused by the increase in our use of anti-biotics in children, as these anti-biotics will kill off strains in our digestive tract which absorb or change the proteins in peanuts, gluten, etc. We don't fully know which bacteria does what, so we don't know what needs to be replaced.
You can find the research here: LINK
Posted on 4/16/15 at 9:37 am to aggressor
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My main point is that it is a lot more complicated than just saying any parent that doesn't vaccinate their child with every vaccine the Dr has available isn't crazy. Are the increased number of vaccinations related to the increases in autoimmune diseases and other ailments such as autism? We just don't know for sure, there is no scientific proof as of yet.
There is just as much evidence that vaccines cause autism as there is that vaccines cause anything else. Which is the dangerous part. We are talking about not vaccinating our society against deadly diseases based on nothing but a whim. I understand where you're coming from, but this is life and death. We are at the point where kids are getting deadly disease based off nothing but fear mongering. I just can't see a reason not to vaccinate for fear of autism when there is no evidence that suggests it. If there was. Even a very loose connection? Maybe. But no one needs to lose their life because the process of vaccination, something that has successfully been implemented across the world in a variety of forms for hundreds of years, is suddenly undermined based on Jenny McCarthy and a discredited doctor's false report. I just can't get behind that.
Posted on 4/16/15 at 9:43 am to TeLeFaWx
When in doubt, trust the experts. The experts say that vaccines are vital.
Posted on 4/16/15 at 9:44 am to 5thTiger
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When in doubt, trust the experts. The experts say that vaccines are vital.
No. When in doubt, follow the money. The experts are paid by someone, and that someone wants you to purchase a product.
EDIT: For example:
More than 61,000 American bridges are structurally deficient, according to a new analysis by the American Road & Transportation Builders Association.
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Shocking. The bridge builders say we need more money for bridges. Shocking I tell you. Its the same with climate scientists. What's that? Give you more money for climate study? Why? Oh, well because you gave me a reason why your work is important.
This post was edited on 4/16/15 at 9:47 am
Posted on 4/16/15 at 9:54 am to aggressor
quote:So, you're saying I shouldn't put leaches all over my body to suck out the bad blood?
What is certain is that some things we do medically today are bound to be considered crazy decades from now just as they were in the past.
Huh, next thing you'll tell me is that the world isn't flat.
Posted on 4/16/15 at 9:55 am to TX Tiger
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Huh, next thing you'll tell me is that the world isn't flat.
It also isn't warming due to man-made CO2.
Posted on 4/16/15 at 10:26 am to cokebottleag
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It also isn't warming due to man-made CO2
And you know this how exactly? Sure. People want money for their field of study, but that doesn't mean that their work isn't accurate. Your sure as heck not going to get an accurate measure of bridge integrity from someone without knowledge on the subject.
This post was edited on 4/16/15 at 10:31 am
Posted on 4/16/15 at 10:44 am to 5thTiger
quote:I'm skeptical when the person telling me something has a billion-dollar industry at stake in me believing it.
It also isn't warming due to man-made CO2
And you know this how exactly? Sure. People want money for their field of study, but that doesn't mean that their work isn't accurate. Your sure as heck not going to get an accurate measure of bridge integrity from someone without knowledge on the subject.
Posted on 4/16/15 at 11:19 am to 5thTiger
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And you know this how exactly? Sure. People want money for their field of study, but that doesn't mean that their work isn't accurate. Your sure as heck not going to get an accurate measure of bridge integrity from someone without knowledge on the subject.
Therefore we should blindly trust them, is that it?
What about the research showing GMOs are perfectly healthy and ok? Its funded by the GMO corporations. Should I automatically believe it because they are experts?
Posted on 4/16/15 at 11:23 am to TX Tiger
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I'm skeptical when the person telling me something has a billion-dollar industry at stake in me believing it.
LINK
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According to the GAO, annual federal climate spending has increased from $4.6 billion in 2003 to $8.8 billion in 2010, amounting to $106.7 billion over that period. The money was spent in four general categories: technology to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, science to understand climate changes, international assistance for developing countries, and wildlife adaptation to respond to actual or expected changes. Technology spending, the largest category, grew from $2.56 billion to $5.5 billion over this period, increasingly advancing over others in total share. Data compiled by Joanne Nova at the Science and Policy Institute indicates that the U.S. Government spent more than $32.5 billion on climate studies between 1989 and 2009. This doesn’t count about $79 billion more spent for climate change technology research, foreign aid and tax breaks for “green energy.”
Posted on 4/16/15 at 11:26 am to cokebottleag
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Should I automatically believe it because they are experts?
Is this McDonald's fry really a fry? McDonald's does make money off of it, so they can't be trusted to tell us anything. Bill Gates makes money selling computers, so we can't trust his word on computers.
Are you kidding me?
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What about the research showing GMOs are perfectly healthy and ok? Its funded by the GMO corporations.
Doctors and people who study health of humans seem to think they are healthy and ok? But since they make a living off of human health, we can't take their findings as fact right?
This post was edited on 4/16/15 at 11:28 am
Posted on 4/16/15 at 11:31 am to TeLeFaWx
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Measles is a deadly disease
Measles is a contagious disease. In developed countries I would argue it's not AS serious. How many deaths in the US from Measles since 2000? Still think people should get the vaccine, but i think the fear mongering on both sides of this debate is pretty crazy. When the outbreak in Disney happened. Thousands upon thousands (tons of kids) visited the park and only 131 people were infected mostly those who were unvaccinated. Parents of kids who are too young/cant be vaccinated should be careful of the situations they introduce their kids to. i.e. If my son had an autoimmune deficiency I dont think I'd be taking him to Disney.
WHO - Measles
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Measles is still common in many developing countries – particularly in parts of Africa and Asia. The overwhelming majority (more than 95%) of measles deaths occur in countries with low per capita incomes and weak health infrastructures.
Posted on 4/16/15 at 11:33 am to 5thTiger
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And you know this how exactly?
He doesn't. Of course, people who claim it is don't know either. We know the world has been getting warmer and we know the concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere has increased with it. Proving the correlation is the causation is difficult in such a complex and dynamic system as the atmosphere.
Posted on 4/16/15 at 11:38 am to Duke
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We know the world has been getting warmer
Eh, the adjusted temps recorded are getting warmer. The actual recorded temps are flat or getting colder in many cases.
Posted on 4/16/15 at 11:48 am to 5thTiger
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Is this McDonald's fry really a fry? McDonald's does make money off of it, so they can't be trusted to tell us anything. Bill Gates makes money selling computers, so we can't trust his word on computers.
Are you kidding me?
McDonalds isn't putting out research on the content of their fries. I have no idea what's in them, but it tastes like potatoes.
I can't trust Bill Gates's word on how well Microsoft's computers compare to Apple's. That should be a given.
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Doctors and people who study health of humans seem to think they are healthy and ok? But since they make a living off of human health, we can't take their findings as fact right?
No, we can't. We have to examine the doctors' possible motives or biases. Everyone has a bias, usually connected to their pocketbook. This is basic political science. What the hell is wrong with you? You seem like one of those people who thinks "I read it on the internet, so it must be true. They can't put things on there that aren't true."
Doctors are people too. Going through 4 years of undergrad and 3 years of medical school don't somehow make you more trustworthy. You are now a man with a doctorate. That makes you educated, it does not make you trustworthy.
Posted on 4/16/15 at 11:50 am to MMB5DAP
Link?
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