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re: 93-Year-Old Auschwitz guard charged with 300,000 Counts of Accessory to Murder
Posted on 9/15/14 at 7:26 pm to the808bass
Posted on 9/15/14 at 7:26 pm to the808bass
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Does being in the military dull your ethics?
No, it gives you a much better perspective that allows you to look beyond 20/20 hindsight bullshite -- the simple man's argument.
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Posted on 9/15/14 at 7:27 pm to the808bass
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We shall take care that never again in Germany, the heart of Europe, will the Jewish-Bolshevistic revolution of subhumans be able to be kindled either from within or through emissaries from without.
Yea...because they had no reason for saying this kind of thing.
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Rosa Luxemburg - Jewish (born in Russia)
Kurt Eisner - Jewish
Karl Radek - Jewish
Karl Liebknecht - Gentile
Leo Jogiches - Jewish (born in Russia)
Clara Zetkin - Gentile
Ernst Toller - Jewish
Gustav Landauer - Jewish
Eugen Leviné - Jewish (born in Russia)
Paul Levi - Jewish
So 80% of the leadership of the Communist rebels that tore Germany apart after World War One were Jewish and 30% of them were from Russia while just a little more than 1% of the population of the German Empire at the time was Jewish.
I'm not a Nazi, I'm not anti-Semitic and I'm not a Holocaust denier but I will say that I understand why some Germans would have thought it was reasonable to hold hostile views of Jewish and Russian people.
This post was edited on 9/15/14 at 7:30 pm
Posted on 9/15/14 at 7:30 pm to KSGamecock
Was also a great tool for the leadership to use to rise to power. I've always wondered if Hitler actually believed all his shite in the beginning or just saw a means to and end and then convinced himself through years of repetition.
Posted on 9/15/14 at 7:33 pm to KSGamecock
This post was edited on 9/15/14 at 7:35 pm
Posted on 9/15/14 at 7:34 pm to KSGamecock
This is fricking stupid, the guy was a paper pusher.
Posted on 9/15/14 at 7:34 pm to the808bass
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So inside a corrupted society which had largely lost its moral compass, killing Jews was super keen. I'm not sure that's the argument that wins this round.
I'm saying that with the right amount of conditioning most people can be convinced to do just about anything. They didn't have facebook and twitter back then. They didn't have access to eighty billion news sources from around the world like we do now. If you're young and impressionable and all you hear is how great some group is of course you're going to want to be a part of it.
This guy was young and dumb and wanted to do just that. He then realized how fricked up it was and got himself out. It's a very human story and very relatable.
This post was edited on 9/15/14 at 7:37 pm
Posted on 9/15/14 at 7:36 pm to KSGamecock
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I'm not a Nazi, I'm not anti-Semitic and I'm not a Holocaust denier but I will say that I understand why some Germans would have thought it was reasonable to hold hostile views of Jewish and Russian people.
I don't believe you are. However to extrapolate that anger towards a couple of individuals, to a whole religion of people, and then to systematically eradicate those people is fricked up. It's fricked up now and it was fricked up in 1930s Germany. You don't need hindsight to see that. It should have been clear to everyone in the German society. Too many it was. The SS were not included in those many though.
Posted on 9/15/14 at 7:39 pm to Patton
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I don't believe you are. However to extrapolate that anger towards a couple of individuals, to a whole religion of people, and then to systematically eradicate those people is fricked up. It's fricked up now and it was fricked up in 1930s Germany. You don't need hindsight to see that. It should have been clear to everyone in the German society. Too many it was. The SS were not included in those many though.
I do think it was fricked up but it's a story that is repeated again and again throughout history. Look at the attitude of people on this very board toward Muslims.
Posted on 9/15/14 at 7:40 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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No, it gives you a much better perspective that allows you to look beyond 20/20 hindsight bull shite -- the simple man's argument.
Or it conditions you to understanding people who follow morally indefensible orders. Either way.
Posted on 9/15/14 at 7:41 pm to KSGamecock
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Look at the attitude of people on this very board toward Muslims.
bullshite, name one thing that anyone on this board ever said about Muslims that was even remotely negative.
Posted on 9/15/14 at 7:42 pm to KSGamecock
Have I told y'all that I hate yall lately?
This post was edited on 9/15/14 at 7:43 pm
Posted on 9/15/14 at 7:42 pm to KSGamecock
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I'm not a Nazi, I'm not anti-Semitic and I'm not a Holocaust denier but I will say that I understand why some [fill in the blank] would have thought it was reasonable to hold hostile views of Jewish and Russian people.
So pretty much what Hamas says.
Posted on 9/15/14 at 7:43 pm to the808bass
I'm not touching that one.
Posted on 9/15/14 at 7:44 pm to KSGamecock
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I'm saying that with the right amount of conditioning most people can be convinced to do just about anything.
If you're an amoral person, sure. Ideally, a person has an internal compass which is developed and isn't dependent solely upon outside stimuli or approval to make a moral decision.
Posted on 9/15/14 at 7:45 pm to the808bass
Ideally. In your fantasy Disney fairy tale world.
Posted on 9/15/14 at 7:46 pm to the808bass
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If you're an amoral person, sure. Ideally, a person has an internal compass which is developed and isn't dependent solely upon outside stimuli or approval to make a moral decision.
Are all wars fought by immoral people?
Posted on 9/15/14 at 7:47 pm to KSGamecock
Posted on 9/15/14 at 7:48 pm to KSGamecock
I agree to an extent. The Nazis took it so far though, that it's tough to really make any far comparison. Especially with the USA.
Posted on 9/15/14 at 7:49 pm to KSGamecock
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This post was edited on 9/15/14 at 7:50 pm
Posted on 9/15/14 at 7:50 pm to Mizzeaux
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Are all wars fought by immoral people?
No. But all genocides are committed by immoral people.
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