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re: 93-Year-Old Auschwitz guard charged with 300,000 Counts of Accessory to Murder
Posted on 9/15/14 at 7:00 pm to Gradual_Stroke
Posted on 9/15/14 at 7:00 pm to Gradual_Stroke
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What is the statute of limitations on 6 million murders anyway?
To answer this, you have to consider the following:
Why would a Wookiee, an eight-foot tall Wookiee, want to live on Endor, with a bunch of two-foot tall Ewoks? That does NOT MAKE SENSE! But more important, you have to ask yourself: What does this have to do with this case? Nothing. Ladies and gentlemen, it has nothing to do with this case! It does NOT MAKE SENSE! Look at me. I'm a lawyer defending a major record company, and I'm talkin' about Chewbacca! Does that make sense? Ladies and gentlemen, I am not making any sense! None of this makes sense! And so you have to remember, when you're in that jury room deliberatin' and conjugatin' the Emancipation Proclamation, Does it make sense?
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Posted on 9/15/14 at 7:00 pm to the808bass
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But it's hard to look at someone who saw genocide and was troubled by it and so he left and feel a lot of compassion
I have a ton of sympathy for this guy actually. It's not hard to understand why someone growing up in the Germany that he did would have joined the SS and I think his revelation that atrocities were being committed and his desire not to be involved is admirable as was the remainder of his service and his life up until now.
Posted on 9/15/14 at 7:01 pm to KSGamecock
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I'm not saying they're the same but I am saying that the views that slaveholders and the Nazis had toward Blacks and Jews respectively weren't that different. They both, through societal conditioning, were happy to accept the idea that a group of humans were not actually fully human.
I was going to post something along this line.
Posted on 9/15/14 at 7:02 pm to tamctshirt
Those charges are beyond stupid. Charges this many years after is stupid for a man who was in his young 20's and not the wanted who wanted it done.
Posted on 9/15/14 at 7:04 pm to KSGamecock
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I have a ton of sympathy for this guy actually. It's not hard to understand why someone growing up in the Germany that he did would have joined the SS and I think his revelation that atrocities were being committed and his desire not to be involved is admirable as was the remainder of his service and his life up until now.
Dude volunteered to go to the front lines rather than watch what was going on at the camps. He had a cushioned job and put his own life on the line just to avoid his conscience.
It frickin' sucks. That whole war sucked.
Posted on 9/15/14 at 7:04 pm to tamctshirt
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Yes, it would make me feel better knowing he has to suffer less than the Jews did for a couple of years for assisting at Auschwitz
Well then you can file a suit against him and push for that if you can prove you or your family have suffered due to his actions (or inactions as the case may be). I imagine that the survivors family are merely looking for justice of some sort. Unfortunately, this is an atrocity that has and will largely go unanswered for simply due to the time that has elapsed. They can seek closure and smear names, but what due suffering are you going to cause a 93 year old man by tossing him in prison? I mean, it's not like anyone is going to mess with him. I don't know anything about German prisons, but I can't imagine a nonagenarian is very high on their prison bitch wish list. You'd basically just be taking him from one shitty place where he's waiting to die to another shitty place where he'll be waiting to die. If the change in location brigns closure or a sense of justice then, like I said, have at it. I just don't think it will mean or represent much.
Posted on 9/15/14 at 7:05 pm to Patton
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All I know is my grandpa used to say his unit would kill SS prisoners if they caught them. He saw first hand the atrocities of a German Death camp.
Did your grandpa enjoy raping Berlin?
Posted on 9/15/14 at 7:06 pm to tylerdurden24
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If the change in location brigns closure or a sense of justice then, like I said, have at it. I just don't think it will mean or represent much.
They want to bring as much pain as they can against him, it won't change shite. This won't put anyone who was there as a prisoner at ease, and this won't make any rational person feel like: "Ahh, finally balance."
Let the old man die in peace.
Posted on 9/15/14 at 7:08 pm to Yellerhammer5
He never went to Berlin. Sorry.
Posted on 9/15/14 at 7:08 pm to KSGamecock
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I have a ton of sympathy for this guy actually.
I would feel a tiny bit of sympathy if he signed up for the Army. He didn't. He signed up for the SS which was predicated on killing Jews.
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We shall take care that never again in Germany, the heart of Europe, will the Jewish-Bolshevistic revolution of subhumans be able to be kindled either from within or through emissaries from without. Without pity we shall be a merciless sword of justice for all those forces whose existence and activity we know, on the day of the slightest attempt, may it be today, may it be in decades or may it be in centuries.
I feel no sympathy for people who join Hamas and feel no sympathy for those who join the SS.
Posted on 9/15/14 at 7:08 pm to Patton
Why can't you? The average German was just fighting for his country like most men in most wars throughout time.
Posted on 9/15/14 at 7:10 pm to KSGamecock
Right the average German. The SS were not average German soldiers.
Posted on 9/15/14 at 7:14 pm to Patton
I agree with Patton, as usual.
Posted on 9/15/14 at 7:14 pm to tamctshirt
I'm sure if tonight it was announced there were 10,000 ISIS combatants in the US ready to attack and that people of the Islamic faith were being rounded up and put in to camps starting tomorrow the number of people leaving their jobs, homes, extended families, and lives and going to Mexico would be tiny.
Even if everyone would see what was coming after the camps. If only there was an instance of that in our recent past that we could count on for guidance.
Even if everyone would see what was coming after the camps. If only there was an instance of that in our recent past that we could count on for guidance.
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Posted on 9/15/14 at 7:15 pm to KSGamecock
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Why can't you? The average German was just fighting for his country like most men in most wars throughout time.
I wonder how many of these people have actually served in the military?
I wonder how many people would have left America because of what was going on in Vietnam?
You know, pilots purposely dropped bombs and chemicals on civilians. They knew what they were signing up for...
Posted on 9/15/14 at 7:16 pm to Vols&Shaft83
Posted on 9/15/14 at 7:18 pm to Patton
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Right the average German. The SS were not average German soldiers.
You're viewing the SS as an American almost a century later. They wouldn't have been viewed as the legion of brainwashed demons in Germany that you see them as today. They would have been sold as the elite defenders of the nation and the party. When you're a young man growing up in interwar Germany and you want to fight for your country of course you're going to fall for that kind of line and if you're able you're going to want to join the best.
We don't sell the Green Berets as the evil band of capitalist commandos that support roving death squads and bloodthirsty dictators that some people might view them as. We sell them as liberators of the oppressed. It's all about perspective and you don't seem able to insert yourself into Gröning's.
Posted on 9/15/14 at 7:18 pm to Mizzeaux
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people of the Islamic faith were being rounded up and put in to camps starting tomorrow
It wiggled
Posted on 9/15/14 at 7:19 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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I wonder how many of these people have actually served in the military?
Does being in the military dull your ethics?
Posted on 9/15/14 at 7:20 pm to KSGamecock
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You're viewing the SS as an American almost a century later. They wouldn't have been viewed as the legion of brainwashed demons in Germany that you see them as today. They would have been sold as the elite defenders of the nation and the party. When you're a young man growing up in interwar Germany and you want to fight for your country of course you're going to fall for that kind of line and if you're able you're going to want to join the best.
So inside a corrupted society which had largely lost its moral compass, killing Jews was super keen. I'm not sure that's the argument that wins this round.
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