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re: Shouldn't be surprised, but the level of suck
Posted on 12/12/16 at 7:23 pm to Remote Controlled
Posted on 12/12/16 at 7:23 pm to Remote Controlled
Yeah. We know there were talks.
It was all pretty well publicized.
Alden wasn't a ballsy AD. His personality traits were obvious. It's why he's not there anymore. Nice guy. Not a power AD.
The KA hire may not have been the best thing. shite. It's obvious it wasn't.
But the hire happened. Feel like it's our duty to objectively see things for what they are instead of behaving like kids in the back seat on a long distance road trip. It's not as simple as some put it -- 9,10,11 wins.
It was all pretty well publicized.
Alden wasn't a ballsy AD. His personality traits were obvious. It's why he's not there anymore. Nice guy. Not a power AD.
The KA hire may not have been the best thing. shite. It's obvious it wasn't.
But the hire happened. Feel like it's our duty to objectively see things for what they are instead of behaving like kids in the back seat on a long distance road trip. It's not as simple as some put it -- 9,10,11 wins.
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Posted on 12/12/16 at 7:36 pm to Sleeping Tiger
We'll agree to disagree that everything is so mutually exclusive. I get what you say about cleaning a house. I just say it was a bad hire because I believe you can clean house and still do better than, you guessed it, 9, 10 and 11 wins.
Regardless, we are where we are now and it's time to move on. KA was a mistake. Let's just not compound it. Get close to the end of the season and let's move on.
Regardless, we are where we are now and it's time to move on. KA was a mistake. Let's just not compound it. Get close to the end of the season and let's move on.
Posted on 12/12/16 at 8:02 pm to reedus23
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. I just say it was a bad hire because I believe you can clean house and still do better than, you guessed it, 9, 10 and 11 wins.
That's obviously true. I don't disagree with that.
Posted on 12/12/16 at 9:52 pm to Remote Controlled
Alden was so personally burned by the Painter saga (where Bernie Miklasz got played by Painter's agent for a couple million) and Mizzou ended up with Mike Alden in a beer goggles panic throwing the job at anyone who'd stop to talk to him at the Final Four. Presto: Frank Haith.
Turns out Alden hated his own hire even more than the fans did. And when he got rid of Frank, Mike turned into a paranoid little bitch. Sending empty planes to places he wasn't going and flying from weird airports to out of the way spots to meet candidates. I think the process took up so much space in his head that he didn't get a full slate of candidates.
Finally, I think he radically overestimated his ability to sell the job and that he'd closed the deal when Marshall left their meeting the week before Kim was announced. So when Marshall called back and declined, we no longer had any good options. It was like a game of Musical coaching chairs and Kim was the only one left with a chair when the music stopped.
I'm not sure why Alden set an artificial end date to the hiring process. Or perhaps someone else set it for him. But we certainly bore the brunt of that as a fan base.
Turns out Alden hated his own hire even more than the fans did. And when he got rid of Frank, Mike turned into a paranoid little bitch. Sending empty planes to places he wasn't going and flying from weird airports to out of the way spots to meet candidates. I think the process took up so much space in his head that he didn't get a full slate of candidates.
Finally, I think he radically overestimated his ability to sell the job and that he'd closed the deal when Marshall left their meeting the week before Kim was announced. So when Marshall called back and declined, we no longer had any good options. It was like a game of Musical coaching chairs and Kim was the only one left with a chair when the music stopped.
I'm not sure why Alden set an artificial end date to the hiring process. Or perhaps someone else set it for him. But we certainly bore the brunt of that as a fan base.
Posted on 12/12/16 at 10:28 pm to the808bass
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So when Marshall called back and declined, we no longer had any good options. It was like a game of Musical coaching chairs and Kim was the only one left with a chair when the music stopped.
This isn't really true. Alden didn't have any interest in KA. Alden was given permission to chase GM. when GM declined Alden was told his secondary options were out and that he was to hire KA.
Howland, Mack, & Underwood were all good coaches that were interested. Mizzou didn't reach out to any of them.
Posted on 12/12/16 at 10:31 pm to wubilli
Who were his secondary options?
Mack was approached from what I heard. Howland wasn't going to be considered right behind Haith.
Mack was approached from what I heard. Howland wasn't going to be considered right behind Haith.
Posted on 12/12/16 at 10:48 pm to the808bass
Alden had a list of 4-5 guys. KA wasn't on that list. He was ordered to hire KA, there was a reason Alden had passed on him the 3 previous times Alden hired a coach.
Posted on 12/12/16 at 10:52 pm to wubilli
Of those 4-5 guys, most had withdrawn at the point Marshall said no, correct? The cheater at Tenner and White and Dixon.
Posted on 12/13/16 at 9:46 am to the808bass
Whoever the next coach is, he better be able to coax the shooters. Worst shooting team I have ever watched. Started going to games in 1978.
Posted on 12/13/16 at 9:55 am to navynuke
I'm not sure this team is really a terrible shooting team. They just have terrible offensive execution. as a result of not executing any kind of offense, they are missing shots that shouldn't be taken.
Posted on 12/13/16 at 12:43 pm to wubilli
You are just saying that. Go back through first 10 min of each half of AZ game and tell me the kids weren't executing an offense. I saw good passing, pretty good spacing for the most. Heck, we worked the ball inside for two bunnies in the first 3 possessions of second half, we just missed the shots.
Posted on 12/13/16 at 12:49 pm to AKTigerChief
Look at the start of the game. Mizzou started 2-15 shooting. Of the 13 misses I thought 6 or 7 were bad or contested shots. Now a good or even decent team would make some of those shots, but it wasn't good offense.
One of the things about KA teams each year is that in almost every game, they go through a 5-10 minute stretch of terrible offense. If it was a 30 minute game maybe his teams could compete, probably not though.
One of the things about KA teams each year is that in almost every game, they go through a 5-10 minute stretch of terrible offense. If it was a 30 minute game maybe his teams could compete, probably not though.
Posted on 12/13/16 at 4:37 pm to wubilli
That's true. How many true freshmen were out there when that happened (I wasn't watching).
Posted on 12/13/16 at 5:27 pm to MIZ_COU
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That's true. How many true freshmen were out there when that happened (I wasn't watching).
I didn't watch either but I think I heard that Arizona had 3 true freshmen on the floor. And only 7 overall scholarship players on the roster.
Posted on 12/13/16 at 6:34 pm to reedus23
That's different. Their freshmen weren't bad like our freshmen.
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Posted on 12/13/16 at 6:53 pm to reedus23
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And only 7 overall scholarship players on the roster.
What year was it that Mizzou had like 6, maybe 7 guys in their rotation. Everybody else was a walk-on type.
Posted on 12/15/16 at 11:27 am to Sleeping Tiger
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What year was it that Mizzou had like 6, maybe 7 guys in their rotation. Everybody else was a walk-on type.
Are you talking about Haith's first year?
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