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re: Shouldn't be surprised, but the level of suck
Posted on 12/10/16 at 1:07 pm to MIZ_COU
Posted on 12/10/16 at 1:07 pm to MIZ_COU
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And he recruits better than we thought he could, but his teams look fundamentally poor, which is kind of the opposite of how we thought it would go.
I would argue that his recruiting is as bad as it could be expected to be.
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Posted on 12/10/16 at 1:12 pm to the808bass
They weren't landing blue chip guys before KA.
Pressey came here bc of MA.
There's of course been some other good players, but nothing overly special.
Given the hole he was in when he took this over, combine it with a controversial probation.. what do you expect.
The primary reason I don't want KA is because he's old, and the bad kind of old. He's a crusty white guy with no history as a great coach. Only way to be an old coach and be successful is if you are a brand name. He's obviously not.
It was known from the beginning he wasn't going to recruit at a high level.
Reasonable fans should have been unhappy with the situation, but known to expect nothing more than a house cleaning and cultural improvement.
Always felt like this was a short-term hire. Something to bridge us out of the mess. KA probably knew it. But he'd get to live the dream for a 2-3 years and get paid. I really believe that's what this was from the beginning. A patch hire. I'll judge him first on patching the culture. Anything else would have been gravy.
Pressey came here bc of MA.
There's of course been some other good players, but nothing overly special.
Given the hole he was in when he took this over, combine it with a controversial probation.. what do you expect.
The primary reason I don't want KA is because he's old, and the bad kind of old. He's a crusty white guy with no history as a great coach. Only way to be an old coach and be successful is if you are a brand name. He's obviously not.
It was known from the beginning he wasn't going to recruit at a high level.
Reasonable fans should have been unhappy with the situation, but known to expect nothing more than a house cleaning and cultural improvement.
Always felt like this was a short-term hire. Something to bridge us out of the mess. KA probably knew it. But he'd get to live the dream for a 2-3 years and get paid. I really believe that's what this was from the beginning. A patch hire. I'll judge him first on patching the culture. Anything else would have been gravy.
This post was edited on 12/10/16 at 1:17 pm
Posted on 12/10/16 at 1:16 pm to Sleeping Tiger
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Always felt like this was a short-term hire. Something to bridge us out of the mess.
Unneeded and unnecessary.
Doesn't take three years for it. Takes three weeks.
Hell, most of the "bad seeds" we're frickING RECRUITED BY KA!
Posted on 12/10/16 at 1:18 pm to Sleeping Tiger
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They weren't landing blue chip guys before KA.
There's few programs that consistently land blue chippers.
Objectively ranked, we have been in the bottom 3 or 4 of the SEC in recruiting the past two years and will be there again this year. The SEC is the worst P5 basketball conference.
We are signing multiple guys every year that wouldn't be on another P5 roster. Geist and Kemp this year. VanLeer, Woods and Payne last year.
Posted on 12/10/16 at 1:20 pm to spytiger
Right.
Takes 3 weeks to change a culture. Tell that to major league sports teams and who struggle with it.
And you continue to have no concern for the fact that we don't know who would have taken this job -- and given the situation, would the other low-end options have the genuine passion for Mizzou to essentially sacrifice themselves on the job. There's so many things to consider.
Not going to respond to whatever you may so in reply to this.
Takes 3 weeks to change a culture. Tell that to major league sports teams and who struggle with it.
And you continue to have no concern for the fact that we don't know who would have taken this job -- and given the situation, would the other low-end options have the genuine passion for Mizzou to essentially sacrifice themselves on the job. There's so many things to consider.
Not going to respond to whatever you may so in reply to this.
Posted on 12/10/16 at 1:25 pm to Sleeping Tiger
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Takes 3 weeks to change a culture. Tell that to major league sports teams and who struggle with it.
Why are you so clueless? Professional sports teams have things called CONTRACTS. The coach doesn't get to handpick their team. Yet somehow, many coaches at that level get guys they didn't pick to perform and win.
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Not going to respond to whatever you may so in reply to this.
Good. You lay down like a Kim Anderson team.
Posted on 12/10/16 at 1:25 pm to the808bass
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We are signing multiple guys every year that wouldn't be on another P5 roster. Geist and Kemp this year. VanLeer, Woods and Payne last year.
Woods actually had several P5 offers.
Smith needs to play more. He was the best interior defender. When Nikko gets healthy he needs minutes as well.
Next year Geist will be pushed out of the rotation by Roberts, if Mizzou can hang on to him. Roberts may actually be able to push Phillips for pt. He has a midrange that no one else on this roster has.
Posted on 12/10/16 at 1:32 pm to wubilli
Woods did have some other P5 offers. I stand corrected. I'm guessing they all wanted Payne. He wouldn't be a significant contributor for any of them.
Posted on 12/10/16 at 2:16 pm to Sleeping Tiger
If this were football, and wiBO started out 2-4 in his 3rd season, with repeatedly shitty fundamental teams, and a high ceiling of 4 wins, he'd be fired mid-season.
I don't see how KA is any different.
I don't see how KA is any different.
Posted on 12/10/16 at 2:30 pm to Remote Controlled
Has Mizzou ever fired either a football or basketball coach mid season?
Nothing is gained by firing KA early. Every potential coach is still coaching until April. No assistant is worthy of consideration for the job either.
That doesn't mean that Sterk can't make the decision now, and already in the process of contacting agents.
Nothing is gained by firing KA early. Every potential coach is still coaching until April. No assistant is worthy of consideration for the job either.
That doesn't mean that Sterk can't make the decision now, and already in the process of contacting agents.
Posted on 12/10/16 at 2:31 pm to reedus23
what's wrong with Bryant?
Posted on 12/10/16 at 3:25 pm to wubilli
I felt the same as you before this game. What can be gained is the chance of recruiting better recruits.
Posted on 12/10/16 at 3:42 pm to MizzouBS
and who will be doing this better recruiting of better recruits?
This post was edited on 12/10/16 at 9:47 pm
Posted on 12/10/16 at 4:18 pm to MIZ_COU
Hire a fired NBA coach mid season. If we will pay for a Head Coach mid season.
Without looking anything up Derek Fisher is available and I am sure there are more.
I know it sounds crazy, but to become a legit program we need to do something flashy. If we hire someone with credibility and the ability to recruit it will not take long to turn around the program.
Without looking anything up Derek Fisher is available and I am sure there are more.
I know it sounds crazy, but to become a legit program we need to do something flashy. If we hire someone with credibility and the ability to recruit it will not take long to turn around the program.
Posted on 12/10/16 at 4:43 pm to MIZ_COU
Not a thing other than KA swung and missed. I was responding to the comment of how well KA has recruited
Posted on 12/10/16 at 4:45 pm to Remote Controlled
You guys are right.
Fire him now. I don't give a fook.
Youngest team in the country. Bringing in decent but not great guys while navigating through a probation. Effectively rebranding a disheveled program to a more disciplined off-court culture which should translate to more character on the court. But the guys aren't hitting their shots and making bonehead plays too often. And time-outs aren't called at the right time. So fire him now.
It's year 3, but like with Lock this year, it was really year 1. He wasn't coached last year. He's learning a new system. All involved agreed he was basically a freshman. That's how Huepel saw him.
It's year 3, but basketball being a little different than football with how a small-knit locker room works and multiple other factors it's not the same as the BO analogy.
Phil Jackson -- great teams surrender the to me for the we. When that small locker room is a mixed bag it's hard to get that full buy-in and surrender from the team. Not saying KA is worth surrendering to, just saying the guy just got his group together. I'd bet they're half decent in SEC play.
KA isn't the long term solution. He's gone soon no matter what.
But you ride this out and not undo the few positives he's provided while you find the next guy.
Fire him now. I don't give a fook.
Youngest team in the country. Bringing in decent but not great guys while navigating through a probation. Effectively rebranding a disheveled program to a more disciplined off-court culture which should translate to more character on the court. But the guys aren't hitting their shots and making bonehead plays too often. And time-outs aren't called at the right time. So fire him now.
It's year 3, but like with Lock this year, it was really year 1. He wasn't coached last year. He's learning a new system. All involved agreed he was basically a freshman. That's how Huepel saw him.
It's year 3, but basketball being a little different than football with how a small-knit locker room works and multiple other factors it's not the same as the BO analogy.
Phil Jackson -- great teams surrender the to me for the we. When that small locker room is a mixed bag it's hard to get that full buy-in and surrender from the team. Not saying KA is worth surrendering to, just saying the guy just got his group together. I'd bet they're half decent in SEC play.
KA isn't the long term solution. He's gone soon no matter what.
But you ride this out and not undo the few positives he's provided while you find the next guy.
Posted on 12/10/16 at 4:50 pm to Sleeping Tiger
Outside of getting us through a probation period and learning not to ever hiring a coach with the last name Anderson what are the positives ?
This post was edited on 12/10/16 at 5:30 pm
Posted on 12/10/16 at 5:28 pm to MizzouBS
Well, they're in there, you gotta read.
You guys can disagree with this, but I feel he's effectively rebranding a disheveled culture built on back-alley deals to a more disciplined, healthy, and sustainable one -- which will make life easier for the next guy.
You know what, it's not worth going into it all and expecting thoughts to be tied together by the readers here. I admit, not everything I've said on this topic is right on. And it's embarrassing to have made some of those longer posts. I don't even like basketball. Very difficult sport to officiate, making it hard to watch and take serious and it's played by the dumbest athletes -- at least with football there is more control from a play-by-play standpoint.
The meta stuff has never flown here.
I remember trying to explain why I thought DGB was an idiot and going to be an issue before he started getting in trouble. It didn't take. Nobody wanted to tie together the look in his eyes, his speech, his background, his demeanor. I was ridiculed for calling him an idiot. Now to say otherwise would be ridiculed.
You guys can disagree with this, but I feel he's effectively rebranding a disheveled culture built on back-alley deals to a more disciplined, healthy, and sustainable one -- which will make life easier for the next guy.
You know what, it's not worth going into it all and expecting thoughts to be tied together by the readers here. I admit, not everything I've said on this topic is right on. And it's embarrassing to have made some of those longer posts. I don't even like basketball. Very difficult sport to officiate, making it hard to watch and take serious and it's played by the dumbest athletes -- at least with football there is more control from a play-by-play standpoint.
The meta stuff has never flown here.
I remember trying to explain why I thought DGB was an idiot and going to be an issue before he started getting in trouble. It didn't take. Nobody wanted to tie together the look in his eyes, his speech, his background, his demeanor. I was ridiculed for calling him an idiot. Now to say otherwise would be ridiculed.
Posted on 12/10/16 at 5:43 pm to Sleeping Tiger
Well, to be fair, I think you called him a crack baby.
Or was that Killz?
Someone called him a crack baby.
Anyway, Kim is a good guy and he's done what he can do, it's just time to move on to the next chapter.
I understand why he won't be canned tomorrow, and I'm fine with it, he just better not be here 365 days from now.
Or was that Killz?
Someone called him a crack baby.
Anyway, Kim is a good guy and he's done what he can do, it's just time to move on to the next chapter.
I understand why he won't be canned tomorrow, and I'm fine with it, he just better not be here 365 days from now.
Posted on 12/10/16 at 5:48 pm to Sleeping Tiger
It's not just KA's bad recruiting and coaching. It is about how he is perceived by his players.
If a coach is not respected by his players it does not matter about the talent that is on the team.
If a coach has the respect of the players and they believe in him it will show on the court.
KA has lost the respect of the fans and players. That is the problem
If a coach is not respected by his players it does not matter about the talent that is on the team.
If a coach has the respect of the players and they believe in him it will show on the court.
KA has lost the respect of the fans and players. That is the problem
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