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re: Is there a consensus #2 football program in the SEC, historically?
Posted on 7/11/23 at 12:15 pm to TheDude321
Posted on 7/11/23 at 12:15 pm to TheDude321
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UTenn claims 5 national championships,
Wrong. UT claims 6
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Posted on 7/11/23 at 12:16 pm to Dawgfanman
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Zero SEC Championships, not even a single appearance in the game. Losing record vs the rest of the conference, only 1 NC in last 30+ years..
Lmao what? OU has a winning record vs the sec and even bama.
Posted on 7/11/23 at 12:18 pm to cajunbama
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I just remember Alabama has the most total wins against other Big 6 teams while LSU was dead last.
To be fair, Big 6 membership has changed greatly over the years.
From the SEC's start in 1933 until the 1980s Auburn and Florida had won only 1 SEC title combined (and that single title was won by a team on NCAA probation). Alabama and LSU did not play either of those schools for years after the SEC was founded.
Bama and LSU did play Ole Miss and Tulane (which won 9 SEC titles combined early on) annually back then, however.
Posted on 7/11/23 at 12:18 pm to Hot_in_the_box
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UT- 5th largest stadium in the country, and 2nd largest in the SEC.
You were doing so well and then .... ^^^^^
Posted on 7/11/23 at 12:19 pm to Boomer00
That’s nothing to brag about as an OU fan. Throw out the games against Aggies and Mizzou. 0-5 vs the SEC in BCSNCG/CFP games sticks out more.
Posted on 7/11/23 at 12:21 pm to LSUTigersLJM
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To be fair, we rarely ever played Tennessee until 1992.
But 21-10-3. Can’t over look that record.
Posted on 7/11/23 at 12:21 pm to Hot_in_the_box
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UT- 2nd most national titles (6)
Lol
Posted on 7/11/23 at 12:23 pm to Hot_in_the_box
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UT- 2nd most national titles (6)
This is absolutely laughable. The rest of your post is not even worth reading if you are going to throw out garbage, fictitious crap like this.
Posted on 7/11/23 at 12:27 pm to scrooster
Posted on 7/11/23 at 12:28 pm to MizzouTrue
Georgia after Kirby goes on his run. Might even pass bama.
Posted on 7/11/23 at 12:29 pm to AUTiger789
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fictitious crap like this.
It’s what UT claims. Can only go off what they claim. I mean they was screwed out of the 3 peat (1939 title) that one has the msot merit of them all but I didn’t claim it. UT has 6 more titles unclaimed. If UT counted like Bama they would count the other 6 that’s considered “unclaimed”. Most sports broadcasters and major sports networks say 6 when they talk about UT titles.
Posted on 7/11/23 at 12:30 pm to AUTiger789
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AP or UPI/Coaches only
Pretty disingenuous to limit to just these polls while holding this sentiment
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(Bowls are a useless metric)
Polls are historically incredibly biased toward northeastern media (understandably so up until the 70s/80s as majority of the subscribers lived in the northeast/Midwest). The AP and Coaches are quite different over the past 30+ years compared to the 1920s-1960s (just like the bowls).
Speaking of which, the teams you’re looking at have been in consistent competition for the same bowl games with approximately the same resources for their whole program histories so I don’t understand excluding bowls from the conversation.
Posted on 7/11/23 at 12:33 pm to AUTiger789
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Georgia was behind Florida and Auburn in terms of program ranking up until the last two seasons
By what metric
Posted on 7/11/23 at 12:33 pm to Hot_in_the_box
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Can only go off what they claim.
That’s not true. Would be better to use an objective metric.
Posted on 7/11/23 at 12:35 pm to TheDude321
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From the SEC's start in 1933 until the 1980s Auburn and Florida had won only 1 SEC title combined
Through 1979, SEC National Titles looked like this:
Alabama- 6
Auburn- 1
LSU-1
Tennessee- 1
Florida- 0
Georgia- 0
Weeks ranked in AP Poll (1936-1979, national rank)
7. Alabama- 318
8. Tennessee- 250
13. LSU- 208
15. Ole Miss- 190
16. Auburn- 165
22. Georgia- 135
Trying to pretend that Auburn hasn’t always been Big 6 is not credible. Florida maybe. Not Auburn.
Posted on 7/11/23 at 12:35 pm to MizzouTrue
Tennessee or UGA
Posted on 7/11/23 at 12:36 pm to MizzouTrue
Here’s my subjective and probably biased rankings, as where they stand now based off of the history to this point, with more weight given to more recent success but all history considered:
1. Alabama
2. LSU
3. Georgia
4. Tennessee
5. Florida
6. Auburn
7-13. Everyone else in no particular order
14. Vanderbilt
20 years ago, Tennessee was a clear #2, but they’ve fallen behind LSU and Georgia in that period. I’ve swapped LSU and UGA and out LSU #2, with that subject to change if UGA can threepeat this year.
Auburn and Florida are really close. Auburn was leaps and bounds above Florida before Spurrier got there in 1990. I give Florida the edge because of their three title seasons in 1996, 2006, and 2008. Auburn only has one, 2010, but 1993 and 2004 were undefeated non NC seasons, which have to be the only two SEC teams to go undefeated and not win NCs in the modern era, so it’s really close, but the NCs give UF the edge.
1. Alabama
2. LSU
3. Georgia
4. Tennessee
5. Florida
6. Auburn
7-13. Everyone else in no particular order
14. Vanderbilt
20 years ago, Tennessee was a clear #2, but they’ve fallen behind LSU and Georgia in that period. I’ve swapped LSU and UGA and out LSU #2, with that subject to change if UGA can threepeat this year.
Auburn and Florida are really close. Auburn was leaps and bounds above Florida before Spurrier got there in 1990. I give Florida the edge because of their three title seasons in 1996, 2006, and 2008. Auburn only has one, 2010, but 1993 and 2004 were undefeated non NC seasons, which have to be the only two SEC teams to go undefeated and not win NCs in the modern era, so it’s really close, but the NCs give UF the edge.
This post was edited on 7/11/23 at 12:44 pm
Posted on 7/11/23 at 12:36 pm to AUTiger789
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Georgia was behind Florida and Auburn in terms of program ranking up until the last two seasons.
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If you can surpass them in two years, you can fall back behind in just two years.
That's an asinine statement. The only way that would happen is if the ranking competitor won two titles in those two years.
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In other words, the gap isn’t as big as your new money arse wants to pretend.
The fact that an Auburn fan thinks his team is "old money" is hilarious. Auburn has never been "old money" and won't be for a very long time, if at all.
Posted on 7/11/23 at 12:41 pm to jcolding41
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The fact that an Auburn fan thinks his team is "old money" is hilarious. Auburn has never been "old money"
No one claimed they were. But Georgia was 6th in the SEC up until the last few years, and now you want to try to pretend you’re the SEC’s #2 all time? That’s not possible unless the gap is so narrow between #2 and #6 that a program can climb that far that fast.
Posted on 7/11/23 at 12:45 pm to Bama Bird
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Next year, #2 is Oklahoma
Nope. You don’t earn it by playing patsies all season long. I would have Georgia, LSU and Tennessee in a dead heat. The case could be made for all three. It pains me to say it but Georgia has the upper hand right now.
This post was edited on 7/11/23 at 12:48 pm
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