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re: Expect more of the same from Bert for the 17'-18' season
Posted on 3/29/17 at 4:13 pm to troyt37
Posted on 3/29/17 at 4:13 pm to troyt37
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Anyone who expects 10+ win seasons with any kind of regularity in this conference and division.
I don't think anyone expects it with regularity, but many expect it to happen occasionally when the right circumstances and team arise. It has happened three times for Arkansas in the last ten seasons. Now let's examine the Bert years. The '14 team was capable with that defense. They choked a lot of games away and went 7-6. Examples include Missouri, aTm, Mississippi State, and the Alabama one stings the most. The '15 team was lead by upperclassmen and had a lot of NFL players on offense. They blew ten wins by losing to fricking Toledo, Texas Tech, and the notorious Bert bed shite against A&M. The '16 team was a big "wtf" but they still underachieved considering the Bert bed shits that occurred against god awful Missouri and in the bowl game. As bad as that run defense was, it still should have been an 8 win regular season team. Hell, even the '13 team underachieved. They were going to be bad under any coach, but they never should have gone 3-9. Member Rutgers? LSU? Mississippi State? They were in games and choked them away late in typical Bert bed shite fashion. Underachievement is the theme here. Bert has underachieved here, as evidenced by his losing record, and I don't think that is debatable. His teams have a troubling tendency to shite the game away late, start seasons looking like shite, and lose to inferior opponents or at least let them hang around for way too long (Samford, LA Tech).
ETA: If we win even close to half of those games I mentioned, many people are not calling for the Fat Man's head, and his record wouldn't look near as bad either.
This post was edited on 3/29/17 at 4:25 pm
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Posted on 3/29/17 at 6:22 pm to Arkansasrazorback
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The '14 team was capable with that defense. They choked a lot of games away and went 7-6.
Lost to #6 Auburn, #6 aTm, #7 Alabama, #10 Georgia, #1 Mississippi State, and #17 Missouri, with Shutout wins over #17 LSU, and #8 Ole Miss. Inexcusable, right? How many teams have six top 10 games in one season? Letdown? Sure. But lets be real.
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The '15 team was lead by upperclassmen and had a lot of NFL players on offense. They blew ten wins by losing to fricking Toledo, Texas Tech, and the notorious Bert bed shite against A&M.
Toledo went 10-2 and ended the season ranked in 2015 if I'm not mistaken. The Tech and aTm game sucked, but we just weren't a very good team in the early season. Some of it is Bielema's fault, sure. Wasn't that AA's first year?
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The '16 team was a big "wtf" but they still underachieved considering the Bert bed shits that occurred against god awful Missouri and in the bowl game. As bad as that run defense was, it still should have been an 8 win regular season team.
Lost to #10 aTm, #1 Alabama, #24 LSU. The ones that pissed me off last year were the losses to Auburn, where Bielema let the team get intimidated (I think) and the loss to Missouri, as you rightly called it shitting the bed. You are partly right about the run defense, but you aren't thinking about the implications of a run first team like Arkansas not being able to stop the run. No way we win 8 with that run defense.
I'm not here to defend Bielema. Some of the complete breakdowns and losses are definitely his fault. He let the team relax too much when they were up. I'm not even sure if he possesses a killer mentality to keep the foot on the gas and up the teams arse when things are going well anymore. But if you're going to claim that just an old body could come in and do better, you should at least throw out some names so we can look at their record.
Posted on 3/29/17 at 6:40 pm to troyt37
I'll just leave this nugget here
Bo Mattingly? @SportsTalkwBo 1h1 hour ago
Bret Bielema joined the show & dropped the nugget that Frank Ragnow could show up on defense at some point
Bo Mattingly? @SportsTalkwBo 1h1 hour ago
Bret Bielema joined the show & dropped the nugget that Frank Ragnow could show up on defense at some point
This post was edited on 3/29/17 at 6:42 pm
Posted on 3/29/17 at 6:57 pm to troyt37
quote:shows how much you know about this team. No that was Brandon's last year.
Wasn't that AA's first year?
quote:1. There can't be 2 #6 teams auburn and a&m both ended up being overrated and that's life in the sec but he had chances to win those games and didn't do it. We're not Arkansas state or Louisiana tech we don't play for moral victories if so we need to move to the sun belt. And on that note idc if Toledo went undefeated in their vrao conference you should never lose to a team of that caliber.
Lost to #6 Auburn, #6 aTm, #7 Alabama, #10 Georgia, #1 Mississippi State, and #17 Missouri
Posted on 3/29/17 at 6:57 pm to Arkansasrazorback
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The '14 team was capable with that defense. They choked a lot of games away and went 7-6. Examples include Missouri, aTm, Mississippi State, and the Alabama one stings the most.
While you aren't wrong about those games, I think it is a little unrealistic to assume we hold on to all those games. Mainly the Mississippi State game on the road and the Bama game. We were certainly in position to win those games but those were all very tough situations.
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The '15 team was lead by upperclassmen and had a lot of NFL players on offense. They blew ten wins by losing to fricking Toledo, Texas Tech, and the notorious Bert bed shite against A&M.
I can definitely agree here. While Toledo wasn't a typical MAC team, we still should have won that game. I think most would agree that we beat that team if that game is later in the year. Which brings the whole theme that we see pop up quite often about starting slow.
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The '16 team was a big "wtf" but they still underachieved considering the Bert bed shits that occurred against god awful Missouri and in the bowl game.
Agreed
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Hell, even the '13 team underachieved. They were going to be bad under any coach, but they never should have gone 3-9. Member Rutgers? LSU? Mississippi State? They were in games and choked them away late in typical Bert bed shite fashion. Underachievement is the theme here. Bert has underachieved here, as evidenced by his losing record, and I don't think that is debatable. His teams have a troubling tendency to shite the game away late, start seasons looking like shite, and lose to inferior opponents or at least let them hang around for way too long (Samford, LA Tech).
I think the toughest thing to judge is when we see his teams play like a top 25 team in the country one week and maybe not a top 50 the next week. Florida game and then the follow up LSU game was a good example. Although I think we all know that Florida mainly feasted on a week division. There are more examples but I think everyone understands the point.
I have felt to a certain degree that it is mostly useless to be hypercritical of Bert right now because he isn't going anywhere after this year barring something unforeseen. I don't blame others for doing that though with what we have see during his tenure. Jeff Long has definitely done him some favors on that contract.
Posted on 3/29/17 at 6:57 pm to ArHog
Jesus. If that's true than our recruiting or talent evaluation really is piss poor
Posted on 3/29/17 at 7:01 pm to troyt37
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Lost to #6 Auburn, #6 aTm, #7 Alabama, #10 Georgia, #1 Mississippi State, and #17 Missouri, with Shutout wins over #17 LSU, and #8 Ole Miss. Inexcusable, right? How many teams have six top 10 games in one season? Letdown? Sure. But lets be real.
I didn't say we should have won all of those games or the fact that we didn't is "inexcusable." However, we shouldn't have choked away EVERY one of them (the collapses I mentioned). We play good teams every year. The rankings you posted don't indicate final ranking. We played good teams when we won ten too.
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Toledo went 10-2 and finished the season ranked
And we still had less than zero business losing that game.
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The Tech and aTm game sucked
Sí
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But we just weren't a very good team early in the season
Seems to be a common theme under Bielema. A season is 12 games long. The entire résumé counts.
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Wasn't that AA's first year?
No. 5th year senior, 3rd year starter, NFL draft pick BA
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The ones that pissed me off last year were the losses to Auburn
That one sure was embarrassing. Arkansas is not a rent a win, doesn't recruit like a rent a win, and shouldn't get beat like one in a coach's fourth damn year. We just put up zero fight and quit. We quit in the LSU game too in the second half. Well coached teams don't do that.
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No way we win 8 with that run defense
Except we would have, with a shot at 9 if not for the Missouri game in which you admitted that Bielema and the team shite the bed.
This post was edited on 3/29/17 at 7:08 pm
Posted on 3/29/17 at 7:08 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
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Jesus. If that's true than our recruiting or talent evaluation really is piss poor
I'm hoping Fatass was just talking out of his fatass
Bo Mattingly? @SportsTalkwBo 4h4 hours ago
Bielema: Frank Ragnow is probably a guy who can be used some on the defensive side of the ball next year, especially in a 3-4.
This post was edited on 3/29/17 at 7:09 pm
Posted on 3/29/17 at 7:13 pm to ArHog
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show & dropped the nugget that Frank Ragnow could show up on defense at some point
Surely he's full of shite. I hope he is full of shite. Ragnow was by far our best O Lineman, and that says a lot about how the coaches perceive the quality and depth of the defensive line during this transition if they're even considering putting him out there.
Posted on 3/29/17 at 7:16 pm to rockiee
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While you aren't wrong about those games, I think it is a little unrealistic to assume we hold on to all those games. Mainly the Mississippi State game on the road and the Bama game. We were certainly in position to win those games but those were all very tough situations.
You're correct. That's why I added the part at the bottom about just winning some of them would have people feeling a lot better about fatty.
Posted on 3/29/17 at 7:21 pm to Arkansasrazorback
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You're correct. That's why I added the part at the bottom about just winning some of them would have people feeling a lot better about fatty.
I gotcha, I agree that there isn't anything unreasonable about that
Posted on 3/29/17 at 7:27 pm to Arkansasrazorback
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Surely he's full of shite. I hope he is full of shite. Ragnow was by far our best O Lineman, and that says a lot about how the coaches perceive the quality and depth of the defensive line during this transition if they're even considering putting him out there.
If in fact this is what happens, it speaks volumes on recruiting and evaluation by Fatass
Posted on 3/29/17 at 10:23 pm to Arkansasrazorback
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Surely he's full of shite. I hope he is full of shite. Ragnow was by far our best O Lineman, and that says a lot about how the coaches perceive the quality and depth of the defensive line during this transition if they're even considering putting him out there.
This is one of the reasons I loathed the idea of going to a 3-4. We're nearing critical mass in terms of lagging behind in linebacker depth and talent, and our defensive line was horrendous last year and lost a ton of experience.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 5:20 am to Arkansasrazorback
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Surely he's full of shite. I hope he is full of shite. Ragnow was by far our best O Lineman, and that says a lot about how the coaches perceive the quality and depth of the defensive line during this transition if they're even considering putting him out there.
Meh...I listened to Bo's interview with Bert yesterday evening and here is what I took from his comment about Frank...It seemed tongue in cheek. It was used in the context of explaining how good of an athlete Frank is and how this off season he has added weight and more muscle. Prior to talking about him playing a snap on the DL, he also talked about him playing QB and TE.
So there you go. For those that didn't listen. That is the type of comment that is getting some of you rustled.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 5:22 am to Feral
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This is one of the reasons I loathed the idea of going to a 3-4. We're nearing critical mass in terms of lagging behind in linebacker depth and talent, and our defensive line was horrendous last year and lost a ton of experience.
When you go to the 3/4, you then have different types of bodies that qualify to play the OLB position.
You're looking at the depth chart with 4-3 blinders on. Its not the same. Its not the same type of LB at your outside spots. Personally, I think our personel fits the 3-4 scheme much better than the 4-3 scheme.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 6:17 am to Hawgeye
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When you go to the 3/4, you then have different types of bodies that qualify to play the OLB position.
You're looking at the depth chart with 4-3 blinders on. Its not the same. Its not the same type of LB at your outside spots. Personally, I think our personel fits the 3-4 scheme much better than the 4-3 scheme.
Trust me, I understand the schematic and personnel differences of the 3-4, specifically at the OLB spot. I'd simply contest the notion that our personnel fits the scheme outside of guys like Ramsey at OLB and Agim at the 5-tech. I don't see a 0 technique on this roster, and I'm not sure we have anyone who can two-gap outside of Agim (maybe Capps?) We have a solid tweener who fits the OLB/standup DE role in Ramsey because of what we had him do last year, but that's about it. It's not as simple as just looking at heights and weights.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 6:57 am to Feral
Posted on 3/30/17 at 10:04 am to Feral
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It's not as simple as just looking at heights and weights.
I know...I was OLB in college in a 3-4 scheme
Posted on 3/30/17 at 10:16 am to Hawgeye
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I know...I was OLB in college in a 3-4 scheme
This might backfire on you if he played in the 3-4 scheme while in the NFL
Posted on 3/30/17 at 10:32 am to cubsfan5150
A lot of the criticisms are certainly valid, but some here sure make one wonder why they are on an internet message board, and not coaching a team themselves, and getting paid several million a year for their competence.
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