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re: Expect more of the same from Bert for the 17'-18' season
Posted on 3/31/17 at 6:07 pm to troyt37
Posted on 3/31/17 at 6:07 pm to troyt37
I don't expect him to beat Saban every year but Saban isn't an unbeatable entity. And I never said he had to win the sec. Where are you getting your info
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Posted on 3/31/17 at 6:11 pm to troyt37
quote:1. I never said I could do it. I hope I can we will find out. I'm 20 years old I plan on being a football or baseball coach. All I'm saying is there's no need to put thead coaches on a pedestal. They get paid what they do and get the jobs they do because of the people they know. College and pro football is One of the biggest good ole boy networks in the world. If you don't understand that I can't help you. So again, no you can't use that argument
If you have that ability, but you are spending your time trying to impress people with it on an internet message board, you are either incredibly stupid, or incredibly lazy
Posted on 3/31/17 at 6:12 pm to rockiee
Yes the dimensions are different but you get my point. It's still the same shape and type of ball with white laces
Posted on 3/31/17 at 7:50 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
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I don't expect him to beat Saban every year but Saban isn't an unbeatable entity.
Saban at Alabama with the players he has is the closest thing there is to unbeatable. He is 114-19 (66-12) in 10 seasons. Six of those conference and overall losses came in his first year when he didn't have a roster like he has had for a while now. Teams that have beaten him since tend to have a transcendent player or some really fluky shite happens.
ETA: You shouldn't expect him to beat Saban ever unless another Darren McFadden comes along.
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Posted on 3/31/17 at 8:36 pm to Arkansasrazorback
If he never bear Saban it wouldn't hurt my feelings but 2014 is an example of how you can win and ole miss in back to back years. Not saying he has to best Saban but it is possible. As good as he's been let's not forget he's only went back to back twice and one of those was a rematch and he's only had 1 undefeated season
Posted on 3/31/17 at 9:10 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
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As good as he's been let's not forget he's only went back to back twice and one of those was a rematch and he's only had 1 undefeated season
So you mean at Alabama he has only won the National Championship 40% of the time?
Posted on 3/31/17 at 9:16 pm to Arkansasrazorback
Again. I don't expect bert to beat Saban. I didn't bring Saban up the other guy did. I was just saying you don't have to have a once in a generation sure to beat him. Turnovers are the real key to beating bama.
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Posted on 3/31/17 at 10:39 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
Realistically we're a 7 to 8 win program with the occasional 10+ wins mixed in. I expect Bert to keep us at that level and I'll be happy.
Posted on 3/31/17 at 10:55 pm to oklahogjr
frick that. That's Nutt level with good morals. We deserve better
Posted on 3/31/17 at 11:41 pm to oklahogjr
If he happybwith that. But this will be year 5 if like to see us get an 8 win regular season at least
Posted on 4/1/17 at 1:19 am to oklahogjr
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Realistically we're a 7 to 8 win program with the occasional 10+ wins mixed in. I expect Bert to keep us at that level and I'll be happy.
Correct, but the only time Bert ever won eight was after a bowl
He had his chance at the "occasional" ten wins and lost to Toledo. Your expectations are correct, but the idea of Bert "keeping" us at that level is This post was edited on 4/1/17 at 9:44 am
Posted on 4/1/17 at 6:40 am to Pygthagorean Theorem
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frick that. That's Nutt level with good morals. We deserve better
You're going to have to move back to the SWC for that to happen.
Posted on 4/1/17 at 6:57 am to oklahogjr
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Realistically we're a 7 to 8 win program with the occasional 10+ wins mixed in. I expect Bert to keep us at that level and I'll be happy.
This right here
Posted on 4/1/17 at 1:50 pm to oklahogjr
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Realistically we're a 7 to 8 win program with the occasional 10+ wins mixed in. I expect Bert to keep us at that level and I'll be happy.
I personally think we can realistically expect 8–5 or 9–4 most years. We should honestly never fail to reach a bowl. We should expect 10, 11 or greater every four or five years with an experienced, well-constructed team. We could also expect 6 or 7 a couple times a decade. Asking to win or threaten to win the conference once or twice a decade shouldn't be some kind of pipe dream. Winning eight games is just half of our conference games, three of four OoC games, and then a low tier bowl against a weaker conference's mediocre team. Sweeping the OoC (unless we're having a Michigan-type game, this shouldn't be too unfeasible), going a not even all that great 5–3 in conference play, and then a bowl toss-up is 9–4 or 10–3. Does this really sound all that undoable from year to year?
We've kept up with the arms race surprisingly well. The University of Arkansas isn't poor. We have everything but a strong recruiting base. Unfortunately, that's a big problem, but our situation isn't so bad that we should have to cross our fingers to barely go above .500 every year. I mean, really consider that. That's a seriously pathetic existence. What are we doing in the SEC if we're going to win fewer than half of our conference games every year and view that as where we belong?
We're not Alabama, USC, Texas, or Michigan. We don't have a right to expect 10+ and a title run every single year. By that same token, we're also not Oregon State, Texas Tech, Vanderbilt, or Purdue. We've had some seriously bad coaching hires since joining the SEC. Bert may very well turn out to be one of them. Stop hanging onto dud coaches for too long and our 7-win average will improve.
Posted on 4/1/17 at 2:08 pm to VagueMessage
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We have everything but a strong recruiting base. Unfortunately, that's a big problem
Posted on 4/1/17 at 2:41 pm to Pygthagorean Theorem
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frick that. That's Nutt level with good morals. We deserve better
All this assumes Bert keeps evolving with the game. Nutt gave up innovating and actively refused to.
Posted on 4/1/17 at 2:47 pm to VagueMessage
Everything you said is spot fricking on. My only regret is I have but one upvote to give
Posted on 4/1/17 at 3:43 pm to oklahogjr
Nutt actually devolved as his career went on its actually quite perplexing if you think about it as most coaches are stuck in their ways, the great ones are either innovating or have their philosophies evolving keeping pace with the trends in their sport.
Nutt actually ran a balanced offense while at Murray State with Arkansas transfer Cherry then at Arkansas with stoerner (who set several school records at QB at the time). Then he devolved to a ground and pound i offense from the 70s before his career ended with him trying to devolve to a high school option offense based on offenses from the pre-1950s.
Ford was fired as he tried to transition his offense from the archaic option to a modern pro-style. Hatfield was forced out for his refusal to change his offense.
Ford and Bert have been the only coaches to take the risk of radically changing philosophies on the side of the ball they are known for during their time as HC at Arkansas.
Nutt actually ran a balanced offense while at Murray State with Arkansas transfer Cherry then at Arkansas with stoerner (who set several school records at QB at the time). Then he devolved to a ground and pound i offense from the 70s before his career ended with him trying to devolve to a high school option offense based on offenses from the pre-1950s.
Ford was fired as he tried to transition his offense from the archaic option to a modern pro-style. Hatfield was forced out for his refusal to change his offense.
Ford and Bert have been the only coaches to take the risk of radically changing philosophies on the side of the ball they are known for during their time as HC at Arkansas.
Posted on 4/1/17 at 3:54 pm to DaleDenton
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Nutt actually devolved as his career went on its actually quite perplexing if you think about it as most coaches are stuck in their ways, the great ones are either innovating or have their philosophies evolving keeping pace with the trends in their sport.
The worst thing about Nutt... was that once or twice a year he'd say frick it and go all out to win. Usually we did win. Then he would retreat into a comfortable shell for the rest of the year and lose two or so games because he was hyper cautious.
It was like having Sybil as your head coach. If he had gone all out more often he might still be our head coach and he might possibly have hung a national title out.
Posted on 4/1/17 at 8:02 pm to Arksulli
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If he had gone all out more often he might still be our head coach and he might possibly have hung a national
It's comical how bad he mismanaged the '06 team. That was probably our best shot at a natty. Even with the awful USC loss, if we beat LSU and Florida we would have been there. He had the perfect player to make a Gus Malzahn offense unstoppable, but childish conflicts and egos ruined it.
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