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re: Expect more of the same from Bert for the 17'-18' season
Posted on 3/28/17 at 12:59 pm to piggilicious
Posted on 3/28/17 at 12:59 pm to piggilicious
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i have zero expectations. bert's on my list, justifiably i do think. it's gonna take a whole lot of wins and not choking repeatedly before i actually have expectations again.
Ditto.
I want to like Bert, but he's a bit too full of shite. He's not Houston Nutt by any stretch of the imagination, but he's closer than a lot of us would care to admit.
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Posted on 3/28/17 at 1:16 pm to Feral
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I want to like Bert, but he's a bit too full of shite. He's not Houston Nutt by any stretch of the imagination, but he's closer than a lot of us would care to admit.
I am beginning to fear Bert might be a better TV analyst then football coach. I would be thrilled if he rattles off ten wins in the regular season and makes a push for the SEC West title this year but there is increasing history of him coming up just short.
Posted on 3/28/17 at 1:40 pm to piggilicious
You have a list?
Posted on 3/28/17 at 4:16 pm to Pigfeet
We should be really good on defense next year except for our front seven.
And maybe our safeties, not sure how proven they are.
Pulley should be solid so we'll be ok.
And maybe our safeties, not sure how proven they are.
Pulley should be solid so we'll be ok.
Posted on 3/28/17 at 4:18 pm to Pigfeet
Yes, you're on the 2nd page.
Posted on 3/28/17 at 4:59 pm to piggilicious
So you are saying I still have time 
Posted on 3/28/17 at 6:03 pm to piggilicious
If its a list of who's naughty and nice... what if... hypothetically speaking mind you... someone falls into both categories?
Posted on 3/28/17 at 6:08 pm to Arksulli
I'm obviously in the good person category
Posted on 3/28/17 at 8:24 pm to Pigfeet
Can we expect the same from the fans?
Accepting mediocrity wholeheartedly and defending Bert no matter what?
Accepting mediocrity wholeheartedly and defending Bert no matter what?
Posted on 3/29/17 at 8:02 am to Porker Face
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defending Bert no matter what?
Ya, have been seeing a whole lot of that recently
Posted on 3/29/17 at 8:30 am to Porker Face
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Accepting mediocrity wholeheartedly and defending Bert no matter what?
Those are the same people who think a woman wearing a hijab is liberating.
Posted on 3/29/17 at 8:47 am to Arksulli
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I am beginning to fear Bert might be a better TV analyst then football coach. I would be thrilled if he rattles off ten wins in the regular season and makes a push for the SEC West title this year but there is increasing history of him coming up just short.
He reminds me of the old Bill Parcells quote about how "you are what your record says you are." We were arguably the best 7 and 8 win team in the country in 2014 and 2015, respectively, but at the end of the day Bert still has a sub-.500 record here, an horrendous conference record, and a laundry list of games in which we shite the bed in the second half.
I'm hoping for the best this year, but I'm a bit cynical about our prospects given the last few years.
Posted on 3/29/17 at 10:27 am to Pigfeet
Not trying to lower the bar, but I think a lot of fans need to take an honest look at their expectations.
If the expectation is to compete for the SEC championship (and therefore a national championship)year in and year out, you will always be disappointed. The best programs in the country don't achieve this, outside of runs with best in their era coaches like Saban and Bryant. Alabama was a hot mess under Mike Shula, as was Nebraska sans Tom Osborne.
Has the Arkansas program ever achieved at that level in it's history? No. Does the Arkansas program compete for the very best recruits in the country at every position? No. Does the Arkansas program pay for coaches at the very highest level in college football? No. Does the Arkansas program trod on the knife edge of NCAA compliance? No. Does regularly competing for SWC championships equate to regularly competing for SEC championships? No.
So without any shame, our expectations should be to compete for an SEC championship occasionally, and to maintain a winning record in the acknowledged best division, in the best conference, in college football.
If the expectation is to compete for the SEC championship (and therefore a national championship)year in and year out, you will always be disappointed. The best programs in the country don't achieve this, outside of runs with best in their era coaches like Saban and Bryant. Alabama was a hot mess under Mike Shula, as was Nebraska sans Tom Osborne.
Has the Arkansas program ever achieved at that level in it's history? No. Does the Arkansas program compete for the very best recruits in the country at every position? No. Does the Arkansas program pay for coaches at the very highest level in college football? No. Does the Arkansas program trod on the knife edge of NCAA compliance? No. Does regularly competing for SWC championships equate to regularly competing for SEC championships? No.
So without any shame, our expectations should be to compete for an SEC championship occasionally, and to maintain a winning record in the acknowledged best division, in the best conference, in college football.
Posted on 3/29/17 at 10:30 am to Arksulli
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If its a list of who's naughty and nice... what if... hypothetically speaking mind you... someone falls into both categories?
Then they're on a separate list- and it's the best list.
Posted on 3/29/17 at 10:49 am to troyt37
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Does regularly competing for SWC championships equate to regularly competing for SEC championships? No.
I don't know, back in the hey day of the SWC it was a powerhouse of a conference. Not up to the level of the modern SEC but it was nothing to sneer at when we went on our run of national prominence.
Posted on 3/29/17 at 11:13 am to Arksulli
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I don't know, back in the hey day of the SWC it was a powerhouse of a conference. Not up to the level of the modern SEC but it was nothing to sneer at when we went on our run of national prominence.
Agree, but the conference pretty much consisted of Texass, and either Arkansas or aTm. Occasionally all 3, but usually just 2 teams in football.
The SEC has been a little of that, but more often than not there has been several teams at least in the discussion for a NC, well into the season.
Posted on 3/29/17 at 11:37 am to troyt37
quote:who has been saying This?
Not trying to lower the bar, but I think a lot of fans need to take an honest look at their expectations.
If the expectation is to compete for the SEC championship (and therefore a national championship)year in and year out, you will always be disappointed. The best programs in the country don't achieve this, outside of runs with best in their era coaches like Saban and Bryant. Alabama was a hot mess under Mike Shula, as was Nebraska sans Tom Osborne.
Has the Arkansas program ever achieved at that level in it's history? No. Does the Arkansas program compete for the very best recruits in the country at every position? No. Does the Arkansas program pay for coaches at the very highest level in college football? No. Does the Arkansas program trod on the knife edge of NCAA compliance? No. Does regularly competing for SWC championships equate to regularly competing for SEC championships? No.
quote:and this is exactly what Bert isn't doing. It's year 5 and he has a losing conference record
So without any shame, our expectations should be to compete for an SEC championship occasionally, and to maintain a winning record in the acknowledged best division, in the best conference, in college football.
quote:so he's not doing this. It's not expecting too much. It's not asking for a championship it's asking for competence
maintain a winning record in the acknowledged best division, in the best conference, in college football.
Posted on 3/29/17 at 12:01 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
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who has been saying This?
Anyone who expects 10+ win seasons with any kind of regularity in this conference and division.
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and this is exactly what Bert isn't doing. It's year 5 and he has a losing conference record
I have been disappointed in some of the choke jobs recently, but lets not forget the dumpster fire that Petrinocycle and John L. Smile created, along with the required player profile sea change, that the change in philosophy necessitated.
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It's not asking for a championship it's asking for competence
Which is implying incompetence, when the overwhelming majority of coaches willing to take the job at Arkansas would have similar, if not worse results. Who exactly is this magical "competent" coach that Jeff Long is turning away?
Posted on 3/29/17 at 2:48 pm to troyt37
quote:again I ask who here is demanding this ? And I think most decent coaches would be doing just as good as Bert if not better. He hasn't set the bar very high his best season we lost 5 games.
Anyone who expects 10+ win seasons with any kind of regularity in this conference and division.
Posted on 3/29/17 at 3:48 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
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again I ask who here is demanding this ?
No, first you asked "who is saying this" which was rather ambiguous, as the quoted statement was rather long. As this entire thread is about expectations, you only have to read the responses to the thread to find several who seem to expect Arkansas to be competing for an SEC and therefore a national championship fairly regularly, which has never been the case in the history of the program.
Now you are asking "who here is demanding this?" I can't speak for anyone else, but I'd venture to say those who sound like they want a different coach are pretty much demanding this. I'd think advocating for someone to be fired for their lack of achievement is pretty demanding, wouldn't you? If someone called your place of business and wanted you fired and replaced because of your performance, would you say they were demanding better?
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And I think most decent coaches would be doing just as good as Bert if not better.
Everyone has an opinion. Most decent coaches aren't doing it in the strongest division, in the strongest conference in college football, so what is your reference? I'm not saying you are wrong, I'm just saying maybe they are considered decent coaches because they don't have to play Alabama, Auburn, LSU, aTm, and a cheating Ole Miss program every year. Think that's a possibility?
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