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re: Alright, I'm done. Anderson needs to go.

Posted on 1/29/14 at 4:43 pm to
Posted by Hubbhogg
Fayettechill
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 1/29/14 at 4:43 pm to
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Much like football needing a QB, our basketball team needs a PG in the worst way.


I wish I had bookmarked some of the threads from before the season where a select few of us were saying we were going to suck this year again b/c we have no true PG. I remember getting bashed for those statements with peoples saying Madden would be able to handle it.

While Madden is improved, dude had zero BBall IQ and you can't have that at PG
Posted by DaleDenton
Member since Jun 2010
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Posted on 1/29/14 at 4:47 pm to
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I wish I had bookmarked some of the threads from before the season where a select few of us were saying we were going to suck this year again b/c we have no true PG. I remember getting bashed for those statements with peoples saying Madden would be able to handle it.

While Madden is improved, dude had zero BBall IQ and you can't have that at PG


People are not wanting a "true PG", even if that is what they call it, they are wanting a guard who can get to the basket and finish, a guard who can create their own shot.
Posted by Hubbhogg
Fayettechill
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 1/29/14 at 4:48 pm to
And again, we're basically pinning all our hopes next year on Beard being a stud. Who knows how good he'll be in year 1, or ever for that matter. If he flops, or is only marginally better than our other PG's I guarantee you we continue down this road of mediocrity and maybe making the NIT in a good year.

PG is by far the most important position in college basketball and we don't have a single one even on our roster as of today.
Posted by cigsmcgee
LR
Member since May 2012
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Posted on 1/29/14 at 5:16 pm to
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a guard who can create their own shot.


When the ball swings around, there a ample opportunities to dribble inside, which is why we need at least two slashing guard types, not just a PG and a couple spot shooters.
Posted by Hawgeye
tFlagship Brothel
Member since Jun 2009
31102 posts
Posted on 1/29/14 at 5:17 pm to
PG or regular G....just someone who will drive to the hole and draw a foul or dish to Portis or Moses

I don't know if everyone is scared to do it or what, but we would be 5-2 in SEC play right now with anyone who could do that and draw fouls late in games and connect on a few and 1's.

Just my opinion.
This post was edited on 1/29/14 at 5:18 pm
Posted by DaleDenton
Member since Jun 2010
42396 posts
Posted on 1/29/14 at 5:22 pm to
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PG or regular G....just someone who will drive to the hole and draw a foul or dish to Portis or Moses

I don't know if everyone is scared to do it or what, but we would be 5-2 in SEC play right now with anyone who could do that and draw fouls late in games and connect on a few and 1's.

Just my opinion.


Gulley has done that, at times.

Scott is capable, but it is a wasted possession, he either misses the lay up, or is fouled and misses the FTs.

Madden has only gotten one foul call when going to the rim in SEC play, every other call has been a blocked shot even with the defender crashing into his body sending him to the ground. Its to the point its comical, guard drives to the basket goes up is hit midair lands out of bounds, blocked shot is the call.

Other end of the court, guard drives to the basket defender straight up and down, guard initiates contact and gets the foul call.
Posted by Drewbie
tFlagship
Member since Jun 2012
58085 posts
Posted on 1/29/14 at 5:27 pm to
I'm not even going to begin to back and read this thread, but my whole point was the fact that I don't think Anderson's system will work anymore. I stated in the OP that our team does what this offense is designed to do. Score a lot of points and force a lot of turnovers. We are 2nd in the nation in forcing turnovers and 15th in offense. It's just not a winning style of basketball anymore with the games being called so strictly now. We need a basketball coach good enough with X's and O's to bring a legit half court offense.
Posted by Feral
Member since Mar 2012
12499 posts
Posted on 1/29/14 at 5:29 pm to
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And again, we're basically pinning all our hopes next year on Beard being a stud. Who knows how good he'll be in year 1, or ever for that matter. If he flops, or is only marginally better than our other PG's I guarantee you we continue down this road of mediocrity and maybe making the NIT in a good year.


True, and who was the last good, true point guard we've had? Fortson? Maybe, and he could at least drive the lane, but his overall game was still lacking.
Posted by Drewbie
tFlagship
Member since Jun 2012
58085 posts
Posted on 1/29/14 at 5:33 pm to
Fortson was a ballhog and his shot was arse. Not a true point guard.
Posted by DaleDenton
Member since Jun 2010
42396 posts
Posted on 1/29/14 at 5:34 pm to
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It's just not a winning style of basketball anymore with the games being called so strictly now. We need a basketball coach good enough with X's and O's to bring a legit half court offense.


He runs a legit half court offense.

You will not find many offenses more legit in basketball.

Set plays is not an offense, they are plays.
Posted by Drewbie
tFlagship
Member since Jun 2012
58085 posts
Posted on 1/29/14 at 5:35 pm to
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He runs a legit half court offense.
He can't teach it worth a damn. You can tell when we have to set up in the half court we aren't comfortable. Screens are bad, movement is slow and bad passes are WAY too common.
Posted by DaleDenton
Member since Jun 2010
42396 posts
Posted on 1/29/14 at 5:36 pm to
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True, and who was the last good, true point guard we've had?


Mayberry, as to the definition of a "true PG". Beck fit most of the role, but he did things not expected of a "true PG".

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Fortson? Maybe, and he could at least drive the lane, but his overall game was still lacking.


Fortson? No. The last good PG we've had with the ability to penetrate and use the penetration to assists or points was Reid.
Posted by ArHog
Muss is a coward
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 1/29/14 at 5:37 pm to
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Fortson was a ballhog and his shot was arse. Not a true point guard.



Same can be said for BJ.
Did Mike recruit these players, NO

Let MA get his players in here and rid ourselves of Failphrey's retards.
Posted by DaleDenton
Member since Jun 2010
42396 posts
Posted on 1/29/14 at 5:38 pm to
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He can't teach it worth a damn. You can tell when we have to set up in the half court we aren't comfortable. Screens are bad, movement is slow and bad passes are WAY too common


Go to youtube and see if you can find an instruction video on the basics of the motion offense, it will help you as I'm not typing out a 1000 word essay explaining the basics of the offense.

It is not an easy offense to learn, it is a complex offense, it is an offense that makes all 5 players a scoring threat, it is an offense that can not be schemed/scouted to stop, it is an offense that places a high amount of responsibility and decision making to the 5 on the court running it.
Posted by SmackoverHawg
Member since Oct 2011
27385 posts
Posted on 1/29/14 at 6:25 pm to
I'm still onboard with MA. I see progress. I think he can duplicate his success at Mizzou at the least here. We haven't been relevant in 20years. I'm willing to give him a pass until he's got four of his classes on campus. If after year four it's still a shitshow, hasta la vista mf'er.
Posted by CtotheVrzrbck
WeWaCo
Member since Dec 2007
37538 posts
Posted on 1/29/14 at 6:53 pm to
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I think he can duplicate his success at Mizzou


do not want.
Posted by Porker Face
Eden Isle
Member since Feb 2012
15408 posts
Posted on 1/29/14 at 6:57 pm to
If he doesn't win at least 1 road game this year I want him gone by default

We should go to the "embarrassing the university" clause and be free of his buyout. This streak is pitiful
Posted by CtotheVrzrbck
WeWaCo
Member since Dec 2007
37538 posts
Posted on 1/29/14 at 7:01 pm to
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I'm not even going to begin to back and read this thread,



Your loss, you're gonna miss out on some classic Ocelot gonna Ocelot.
Posted by DaleDenton
Member since Jun 2010
42396 posts
Posted on 1/29/14 at 7:05 pm to
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If he doesn't win at least 1 road game this year I want him gone by default

We should go to the "embarrassing the university" clause and be free of his buyout. This streak is pitiful


Pel wasn't fired after going 2-14 in SEC play.

Heath got 5 years, Pel got 4, Mike will get 4 years at least.

Next year will be the first time since 2005-2006 the bulk of the contributors are upper classmen.
Posted by Porker Face
Eden Isle
Member since Feb 2012
15408 posts
Posted on 1/29/14 at 7:34 pm to
He shouldve been fired after going 2-14

He clearly didnt get the ball rolling in year 3 or 4

The best teams in college basketball are lead by freshmen, not seniors
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