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re: Alright, I'm done. Anderson needs to go.
Posted on 1/29/14 at 7:37 pm to Porker Face
Posted on 1/29/14 at 7:37 pm to Porker Face
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The best teams in college basketball are lead by freshmen, not seniors
No.
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Posted on 1/29/14 at 8:31 pm to CtotheVrzrbck
Instead of being a fricking dick, why not offer your counter
Points. Am I saying things not founded in reality?
Spade a spade. But the rest of you just keep on slurping up the hope juice.
Ask yourself what's more objective: pointing out both positive and negative aspects of MA, or not being able to find even one thing to criticize. Not one. Nothing is his fault until he's been here 5 years. Nothing.
Points. Am I saying things not founded in reality?
Spade a spade. But the rest of you just keep on slurping up the hope juice.
Ask yourself what's more objective: pointing out both positive and negative aspects of MA, or not being able to find even one thing to criticize. Not one. Nothing is his fault until he's been here 5 years. Nothing.
Posted on 1/29/14 at 8:36 pm to ocelot4ark
I pretty much agree with you, what Ocelot gonna Ocelot refers to is your fervor you post with. I can just imagine you speed typing and grinding your teeth when you post.
Posted on 1/29/14 at 8:47 pm to DaleDenton
Just because I'm bored, I'll give details.
Arizona:
Nick Johnson - JR
Aaron Gordon - FR
Brandon Ashley - SO
Kaleb Tarczewski - SO
Rondae Hollis-Jefferson - FR
Gabe York - SO
T.J. McConnell - JR
Jordin Mayes - SR
Syracuse
C.J. Fair - SR
Trevor Cooney - SO
Jerami Grant - SO
Tyler Ennis - FR
Rakeem Christmas - JR
Michael Gbinije - SO
Baye-Moussa Keita - SR
Wichita St.
Cleanthony Early - SR
Ron Baker - SO
Fred VanVleet - SO
Tekele Cotton - JR
Darius Carter - JR
Chadrack Lufile - SR
Nick Wiggins - SR
Kadeem Coleby - SR
Evan Wessel - SO
Florida
Casey Prather - SR
Scottie Wilbekin - SR
Michael Frazier II - SO
Patric Young - SR
Dorian Finney-Smith - SO
Kasey Hill - FR
Will Yeguete - SR
DeVon Walker - SO
Jacob Kurtz - JR
San Diego St
Xavier Thames - SR
Winston Shepard - SO
JJ O'Brien - JR
Josh Davis - SR
Dwayne Polee II - JR
Aqeel Quinn - JR
Matt Shrigley - FR
Skylar Spencer - SO
Dakarai Allen - FR
Michigan St.
Gary Harris - SO
Adreian Payne - SR
Keith Appling - SR
Branden Dawson - JR
Denzel Valentine - SO
Travis Trice - JR
Alex Gauna - JR
Alvin Ellis III - FR
Gavin Schilling - FR
Arizona is the only young team in the top 6, when Arkansas starts snagging multiple McD AA's in each class, they could do that too.
Arizona:
Nick Johnson - JR
Aaron Gordon - FR
Brandon Ashley - SO
Kaleb Tarczewski - SO
Rondae Hollis-Jefferson - FR
Gabe York - SO
T.J. McConnell - JR
Jordin Mayes - SR
Syracuse
C.J. Fair - SR
Trevor Cooney - SO
Jerami Grant - SO
Tyler Ennis - FR
Rakeem Christmas - JR
Michael Gbinije - SO
Baye-Moussa Keita - SR
Wichita St.
Cleanthony Early - SR
Ron Baker - SO
Fred VanVleet - SO
Tekele Cotton - JR
Darius Carter - JR
Chadrack Lufile - SR
Nick Wiggins - SR
Kadeem Coleby - SR
Evan Wessel - SO
Florida
Casey Prather - SR
Scottie Wilbekin - SR
Michael Frazier II - SO
Patric Young - SR
Dorian Finney-Smith - SO
Kasey Hill - FR
Will Yeguete - SR
DeVon Walker - SO
Jacob Kurtz - JR
San Diego St
Xavier Thames - SR
Winston Shepard - SO
JJ O'Brien - JR
Josh Davis - SR
Dwayne Polee II - JR
Aqeel Quinn - JR
Matt Shrigley - FR
Skylar Spencer - SO
Dakarai Allen - FR
Michigan St.
Gary Harris - SO
Adreian Payne - SR
Keith Appling - SR
Branden Dawson - JR
Denzel Valentine - SO
Travis Trice - JR
Alex Gauna - JR
Alvin Ellis III - FR
Gavin Schilling - FR
Arizona is the only young team in the top 6, when Arkansas starts snagging multiple McD AA's in each class, they could do that too.
Posted on 1/29/14 at 8:50 pm to DaleDenton
When do we start snagging mcdonalds AAs?
Portis isnt hardly even used. Wtf kind of young wanna be one and done would come here? We dont even feed Portis. No one is gonna come here to watch their crappy teammates chuck up wild 3s
We dont even feed our "stud" now. Its shameful
Portis isnt hardly even used. Wtf kind of young wanna be one and done would come here? We dont even feed Portis. No one is gonna come here to watch their crappy teammates chuck up wild 3s
We dont even feed our "stud" now. Its shameful
Posted on 1/29/14 at 8:56 pm to Porker Face
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When do we start snagging mcdonalds AAs?
We had a pretty good streak going from 92-96, and at that time and in the 80s we would actually redshirt some of them.
The last one was a thug and ended up being booted out, landed at Okie State.
Then a drought, then Heath took Olu, then a drought, then Portis.
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Portis isnt hardly even used. Wtf kind of young wanna be one and done would come here? We dont even feed Portis. No one is gonna come here to watch their crappy teammates chuck up wild 3s
We dont even feed our "stud" now. Its shameful
Portis is used, he is second on the team in PPG and leads the team in MPG.
He isn't a low post back to the basket center, that isn't his skill set or "game". He does well exactly what he has been doing in shooting the ball from the "short corner".
Anther concept some need to grasp; There isn't a 1-2-3-4-5 line up used or roles by players, there isn't a PG/SG/SF/PF/C configuration, it is as simple as G/F.
Posted on 1/29/14 at 9:01 pm to DaleDenton
He needs to average 30 ppg...especially against the SEC. He is the biggest and often best player on the floor. Needs to start taking over
He also needs 20 rebounds per game
He also needs 20 rebounds per game
Posted on 1/29/14 at 9:02 pm to Porker Face
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He needs to average 30 ppg...especially against the SEC. He is the biggest and often best player on the floor. Needs to start taking over
He also needs 20 rebounds per game
Porker, have you met reality?
Reality have you met Porker?
Let me introduce you to one another.
Posted on 1/29/14 at 9:10 pm to DaleDenton
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Is Arkansas having a problem getting people open for shots? Open driving lanes to the basket?
No, they are not.
First of all, are we watching the same team? Open shots? Consistently? On the majority of our possessions? Is your definition of an open shot one that just doesn't get blocked? Open driving lanes? What? When, consistently?
Is that what I asked? No. But I can see how you would think that the only screen that matters is the one immediately preceding the shot. Pass, screen away. Those screens are pathetic. Just because we manage to get a shot up later in the posession doesn't change the fact that we'd get BETTER shots if we set better screens throughout the possession. As I'm sure you're aware, we are constantly screening.
I really think you need to acknowledge that or I truly won't give a shite what you think because you'll have proven yourself as a big talking basketball ignoramus.
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Your initial argument was there was a not an offensive system in place, it was debunked, now you are grasping for something to bitch about so have gone to screens.
Hyperbole is fun, no? How have you not realized, after 9 pages, that my problem is that we don't execute the offense? I think I've said it on just about every page. I'm using screens as a simple illustration of one my problems with offensive execution. It's telling that you have yet to say that you think the screens are consistently well done.
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Link?
Wait. You want me to link you to the comments you guys are NOT making? Yeah. That makes perfect sense.
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I'm capable of understanding what Mike is trying to install,
What makes you think that I'm not? Specifically. Tell me. What about Mike's system do you think I don't comprehend? Point by point. Tell me. Glad to respond.
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what is not happening to cause problems with the results.
Strange phrasing, but I assume you are saying you understand the root cause of our problems. Great! Let's hear it! You have all of the answers, so please tell me what the problems are. Help me understand, you basketball genius you.
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Legit criticism does not resort to the terms "street ball" or "rat ball".
Ohhhh. Gotta make sure we use to right descriptors. How much easier it is to say, "Our execution coming out of a time out is subpar. I wish we had more TALENT so that we could run a basic sideline out of bounds play to free someone for a shot that's not 25 feet from the goal. Definitely just a talent thing, though."
When we are consistently taking bailout shots as the shot or game clocks expire, that's a symptom of a coaching shortfall. I believe that if Coach K was forced to play his bottom 5 guys against UNC for the final possession, down by 1, with 5 seconds left that he would consistently get one of those guys an opportunity to square up and shoot within 15 feet of the basket. I guarantee his guys would be coached well enough to handle that. Would the guy make the shot? Who knows. But he'd get a clean look and every guy from Duke would be involved in getting him that look. It wouldn't be 1 guy dribbling around the perimeter and throwing up a desperation 3.
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I would agree with your criticism if it was soundly based, but honestly you sound as if you have no clue about the basic fundamentals of the game, let alone the various different offensive and defensive styles of plays and strategies that can be used.
As evidenced by the fact that I'm unhappy with our execution (as I've repeatedly stated)? Get over yourself.
I'm referencing a specific element of the offense that needs to be fixed. Screens are an important element of our offense.
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The biggest problem with this team is shot selection
Rebounding is a huge problem. Stupid fouls are a problem. But yeah, I'd agree that shot selection is one of our larger issues. I guess we'll just have to wait until we get some better players, though, before we can really address shot selection. You know...cause coaches aren't responsible for limiting those kinds of things.
"Madden from 25 ft.......and it's off the shot clock!"
"Dammit Ky, stop taking crappy shots!"
"Okay coach."
The end.
Posted on 1/29/14 at 9:13 pm to CtotheVrzrbck
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I pretty much agree with you, what Ocelot gonna Ocelot refers to is your fervor you post with. I can just imagine you speed typing and grinding your teeth when you post.
My bad. With my penchant for being an outsider during the football season on certain issues, I assumed you were making that connection.
I just defend my opinions. People respond to me? I'm most likely going to respond - especially if I disagree. And I try not to do things like just laugh at someones opinion and call them dumb. I'll explain why I disagree (most of the time on a point-by-point basis).
Posted on 1/29/14 at 9:14 pm to ocelot4ark
We screened pretty well early in the game and Anthlon Bell missed about 4 open looks from 3...good thing he's not just a "shooter".
Wait.
Team doesn't have shooters, screens arent going to do much when you can loosely guard the 3pt line and drift off.
Wait.
Team doesn't have shooters, screens arent going to do much when you can loosely guard the 3pt line and drift off.
Posted on 1/29/14 at 9:16 pm to DaleDenton
quote:In reality if he could PORKER, he would be on here...
Porker, have you met reality? Reality have you met Porker? Let me introduce you to one another.
Posted on 1/29/14 at 9:22 pm to ocelot4ark
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First of all, are we watching the same team? Open shots? Consistently? On the majority of our possessions? Is your definition of an open shot one that just doesn't get blocked? Open driving lanes? What? When, consistently?
Is that what I asked? No. But I can see how you would think that the only screen that matters is the one immediately preceding the shot. Pass, screen away. Those screens are pathetic. Just because we manage to get a shot up later in the posession doesn't change the fact that we'd get BETTER shots if we set better screens throughout the possession. As I'm sure you're aware, we are constantly screening.
I really think you need to acknowledge that or I truly won't give a shite what you think because you'll have proven yourself as a big talking basketball ignoramus.
Acknowledge what? That open guys are receiving the ball? That guys are taking open shot? That guys are taking bad shots early in the shot clock? That guys are choosing to take the first shot instead of the best shot?
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Hyperbole is fun, no? How have you not realized, after 9 pages, that my problem is that we don't execute the offense? I think I've said it on just about every page. I'm using screens as a simple illustration of one my problems with offensive execution. It's telling that you have yet to say that you think the screens are consistently well done.
One of the top 15 scoring teams in the country.
No offensive execution, says the man expecting set plays out of a motion offense.
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Ohhhh. Gotta make sure we use to right descriptors. How much easier it is to say, "Our execution coming out of a time out is subpar. I wish we had more TALENT so that we could run a basic sideline out of bounds play to free someone for a shot that's not 25 feet from the goal. Definitely just a talent thing, though."
When we are consistently taking bailout shots as the shot or game clocks expire, that's a symptom of a coaching shortfall. I believe that if Coach K was forced to play his bottom 5 guys against UNC for the final possession, down by 1, with 5 seconds left that he would consistently get one of those guys an opportunity to square up and shoot within 15 feet of the basket. I guarantee his guys would be coached well enough to handle that. Would the guy make the shot? Who knows. But he'd get a clean look and every guy from Duke would be involved in getting him that look. It wouldn't be 1 guy dribbling around the perimeter and throwing up a desperation 3.
You don't understand what you are seeing, so it is "streetball"...
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What makes you think that I'm not? Specifically. Tell me. What about Mike's system do you think I don't comprehend? Point by point. Tell me. Glad to respond.
All of it. The offense, the defenses, the press.
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I guess we'll just have to wait until we get some better players, though, before we can really address shot selection. You know...cause coaches aren't responsible for limiting those kinds of things.
"Madden from 25 ft.......and it's off the shot clock!"
"Dammit Ky, stop taking crappy shots!"
"Okay coach."
The end.
When Mike can bench a player who makes a selfish play instead of running the play called at the end of the game without having a huge drop off in scoring, yes it will correct itself.
See Harris' reduction in minutes.
Posted on 1/29/14 at 9:24 pm to Porker Face
Dude no one has averaged 30 and 20 since maybe Wilt.
I checked. In his 2 years at Kansas Wilt avg'd 29.9 and 18.3
Portis is not one of the top 3 players of all time.
I checked. In his 2 years at Kansas Wilt avg'd 29.9 and 18.3
Portis is not one of the top 3 players of all time.
Posted on 1/29/14 at 9:24 pm to UltimateHog
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We screened pretty well early in the game and Anthlon Bell missed about 4 open looks from 3...good thing he's not just a "shooter".
Glad to see you agree.
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Team doesn't have shooters, screens arent going to do much when you can loosely guard the 3pt line and drift off.
We are the 4th best 3pt shooting team in the conference (8th best if only looking at conference play, but it's about 3% lower than aggregate).
Posted on 1/29/14 at 9:25 pm to UltimateHog
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We screened pretty well early in the game and Anthlon Bell missed about 4 open looks from 3...good thing he's not just a "shooter".
Wait.
Team doesn't have shooters, screens arent going to do much when you can loosely guard the 3pt line and drift off.
Ding. Ding.
Backdoor cuts are worthless when a team can pack the lane.
Madden and Gulley have stepped up from behind the arc, Bell is in a huge slump, Qualls has been in a slump for most of SEC play, Wade is still too big of a pussy to take the shot.
Posted on 1/29/14 at 9:43 pm to CtotheVrzrbck
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Dude no one has averaged 30 and 20 since maybe Wilt.
Portis in SEC play:
@aggy 29 mins 7 points 7 rebounds
@UGA 30 mins 6 points 7 rebounds
@TENN 28 mins 4 points 4 rebounds
Florida 31 mins 14 points 7 rebounds
Kentucky 33 mins 11 points 10 rebounds
Auburn 27 mins 18 points 9 rebounds
Mizzou 31 mins 16 points 7 rebounds
Madden in SEC play:
@aggy 31 mins 12 points 2 rebounds
@UGA 31 mins 12 points 3 rebounds
@Tenn 30 mins 15 points 8 rebounds
Florida 33 mins 23 points 5 rebounds
Kentucky 32 mins 18 points 2 rebounds
Auburn 32 mins 24 points 4 rebounds
Mizzou 34 mins 20 points 4 rebounds
Game leader points
@aggy Madden (12)
@UGA Clarke (13)
@Tenn Clarke (16)
Florida Madden (23)
Kentucky Madden/Qualls (18)
Auburn Madden (24)
Mizzou Madden (20)
Gamer leader rebounds
@aggy Clarke (10)
@UGA Portis/Qualls (7)
@Tenn Clarke (9)
Florida Clarke (14)
Kentucky Portis (10)
Auburn Portis (9)
Mizzou Portis (7)
If you can't look at this and tell why Clarke gets so many minutes, why Madden can't be benched for taking dumb shots at times in the games, why Portis can't be relied on, then there isn't much more that can be said to you...
Posted on 1/29/14 at 9:59 pm to ocelot4ark
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(8th best if only looking at conference play
Exactly, we're 8th out of 14 in a god awful conference in 3 pt shooting.
We're 110th in the country in FG% and that's including our garbage OOC games.
Posted on 1/29/14 at 10:03 pm to DaleDenton
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Acknowledge what? That open guys are receiving the ball? That guys are taking open shot? That guys are taking bad shots early in the shot clock? That guys are choosing to take the first shot instead of the best shot?
We're receiving the ball, guys!
We are not getting consistently open shots, for one. And I'd challenge anyone that said that. We're shooting 38% in conf play.
Shot selection? Agree with you. Just don't pin it entirely on the players.
Final time - I want you to acknowledge that we don't consistently set solid screens throughout a possession. Disregard shot selection. Are we making the best screens we can possibly strive for? Would our offense work better if we were? If not, why screen at all? Why is it part of the offense?
Think of it this way...A running back can get 4 yards with decent blocking up front. He might get 10 yards if the WRs blocked better. The RB is getting good, tough yards, right? Why bother with teaching those WRs how to block? We're getting 4 yards!
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One of the top 15 scoring teams in the country.
We are 8 ppg lower in conference play than overall. We are shooting 38% in conference play (as opposed to 46% overall). Of course, the majority of our non-conference games were played at home against crappy competition. But that's evidently not important in trying to determine the effectiveness of the offense. Just PPG.
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No offensive execution, says the man expecting set plays out of a motion offense.
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An offense is your method to score baskets and get open shots against your opponent. Most coaches consider their offense to be a continuous motion or a play that can be run over and over again. It's common to have more than one offensive set, usually a primary offense and a secondary offense.
In addition, most basketball coaches will have a variety of set plays at their disposal. Set plays are usually just run through one time in special situations. For example, you might want to run a set play at the end of the game or when your offense is stagnant and you really need a basket. Then, if the set play doesn't work, you can flow into your primary offense.
[quote]An offense is your method to score baskets and get open shots against your opponent. Most coaches consider their offense to be a continuous motion or a play that can be run over and over again. It's common to have more than one offensive set, usually a primary offense and a secondary offense.
In addition, most basketball coaches will have a variety of set plays at their disposal. Set plays are usually just run through one time in special situations. For example, you might want to run a set play at the end of the game or when your offense is stagnant and you really need a basket. Then, if the set play doesn't work, you can flow into your primary offense.
LINK
And I have repeatedly said we need IMPROVED execution. If you think I believe we have no offensive execution, that kinda flies in the face of seeing them...you know...score at least 1 fg a game.
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You don't understand what you are seeing, so it is "streetball"...
You think with 2 seconds on the clock down by 2 that the only thing Coach K would do is say, "run the offense, guys?"
Wow.
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All of it. The offense, the defenses, the press.
You are completely retarded. Telling yourself something doesn't make it so - evidenced by your inability to point to the specific elements of the offense, defense, or press that I don't understand. Your counterpoint to my arguments is, "But we are top 15 scoring." As if that is remotely representative of offensive efficiency playing teams with a pulse (especially on the road).
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When Mike can bench a player who makes a selfish play instead of running the play called at the end of the game without having a huge drop off in scoring, yes it will correct itself.
What play called at the end of the game? We don't have plays, remember?
And how, exactly, is it better to play a guy showing a propensity for taking bad shots than playing a guy that might be less talented but WON'T take bad shots? A bad shot is a bad shot because it doesn't go in the fricking basket. A player who takes bad shots is negating his supposed strength.
Of course, I don't think Madden should become a bench player just because he takes a bad shot now and then. I just don't think you ignore his (or anyone else's) bad shots without addressing them. Take a bad shot? Pull the player out of the game, explain why you're taking him out, let him get some rest and then bring him back into the game. You don't discourage players from taking bad shots by not having any repercussions, however slight.
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See Harris' reduction in minutes.
Not nearly enough. But we have other guys throwing up bad shots (Madden and Qualls have both started forcing things unnecessarily).
Posted on 1/29/14 at 10:07 pm to DaleDenton
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why Madden can't be benched for taking dumb shots at times in the games
He can be benched to get some rest, no? We allow that to happen without worrying about our entire team collapsing? Why can't he sit for 2-3 minutes in response to a bad shot?
My theory is that his, and anyone else's, penchant for taking bad shots would decrease if it interfered with their playing time.
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