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re: i think blake is our guy
Posted on 9/7/14 at 9:43 pm to chattabama
Posted on 9/7/14 at 9:43 pm to chattabama
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At another position, think of how quickly Fulton was pulled in the TAMU game for his play vs how long Cyrus was left in for similar level of play. Fulton was either going to help us then, or he was going to be benched in favor of someone who may play similarly, but taking his lumps would help us later.
This is where you lost me. You are comparing CB to QB right here. That can't be done.
I'd rather go 10-2 with a guy like Sims rather than "invest in the future" and go 8-4 with a guy like Coker. Sure, Jake Coker has much more potential than Sims does. But I want the guy who is ready to go NOW, not someone who will be ready to go by the end of the year.
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Posted on 9/7/14 at 9:54 pm to chattabama
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Another thing that leads to higher expectations of Sims is that this is his last remaining year of eligibility. There is no building for the future at the qb position with Sims. You start him because he can win games for Bama right now, even if it hurts preparation for the future. Look at the way that McCarron improved as a qb from 2011 to 2012. Astounding. I think some of us were a little more tolerant of his mistakes because we kept thinking long-term investment. Sims is a short-term solution. He either works well when facing our toughest opponents, or he should be benched in favor of the future.
I don't think it really matters. I think our coaches are only worried about this season as far as who who plays, and gives us the best chance to win NOW.
I for sure don't care about next season right now.
Posted on 9/7/14 at 10:09 pm to chattabama
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chattabama
You make some good points.
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Are there two different levels of expectations relative to Coker and Sims? Absolutely.
There should be different levels of expectations when it comes to leadership. Sims has been with some of these guys for four or five years. It's logical to expect that more would be expected of him in terms of being a leader simply because of his long standing, established relationships on the team. I think that's a fair expectation. And it seems that he is fulfilling those expectations so far.
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Screwing up the calls in the huddle and depending on Kiffin to spoon feed the plays is frowned upon when Sims has been here for five years.
I don't frown on it, and I don't think it should be frowned on, because even though Sims is in his fifth year, Kiffin is in his first. There's gonna be a learning curve between the two of them.
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There is no building for the future at the qb position with Sims. You start him because he can win games for Bama right now, even if it hurts preparation for the future.
I'm OK with that. In 1979, maybe it was a similar situation with Steadman Shealy. Finally got his chance to start after backing up Jeff Rutledge for two years. Maybe Don Jacobs was a better natural QB...I don't know. Shealy threw more INTs than TDs, and Jacobs averaged a full yard more per carry in the Wishbone. But 1979 was Bryant's only perfect season in the decade of the seventies.
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Sims is a short-term solution. He either works well when facing our toughest opponents, or he should be benched in favor of the future.
I think if Sims doesn't work well when facing our toughest opponents, he should be benched in favor of someone who will work well when facing our toughest opponents. Let's face it...if Saban really was concerned about the QB of the future, he would have been giving his backup QB anywhere from 25% to 33% of the snaps for the last six years.
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Sure, Coker could become a better qb sitting behind Sims, but there is no substitute for first team reps and starting games.
I agree...which is why I wish Saban would have been giving his backup QB meaningful snaps for the last six years. Not doing so may have helped cost Texas the national championship in 2009. It may have helped cause us to lose the Iron Bowl...along with everything else that went wrong in that game...in 2010. If McElroy had gone down against Texas...instead of McCoy...the guy coming in for us would have been taking his first snap in a college football game. Ever. With the national championship on the line. That's a helluva situation to put your team in.
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Lastly, the expectations for Sims are greater than his predecessors because we are expecting more from the offense than ever before.
This may be true with some people. My expectations are high because of Kiffin, not Sims or Coker. Kiffin comes in with a resume of being a great offensive mind and someone who can develop QBs. My expectations are that he will do an outstanding job of developing both Sims and Coker relative to their specific skill sets. And I think it's going to be a lot of fun to watch.
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The 2011 defense isn't lining up on Saturday.
Ain't that the truth. Or 2009's. I took my buddy from out of state through the Hall of Champions and pointed out the All American plaques...McClain, Cody, Hightower, Upshaw, Barron, Kirkpatrick, etc...and lamented the fact that none of those guys were playing Saturday.
Posted on 9/8/14 at 4:04 am to chattabama
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Are there two different levels of expectations relative to Coker and Sims? Absolutely.
For fans, but not for the coaches. The coaches want the guy who will win and they have obviously selected him and are drawing this thing out to appease the fanbase.
As I said above, if that was Coker who played well against WVU and was easily dominant against FAU, there would be none of this talk. This forum and others would be talking about Heisman's or if he'll leave this year for the draft.
Due to it being Sims, it keeps getting painted as some anomaly, because "it can't be true and it can't be real and just wait.. just wait Coker will take the job!".
Sims won this job outright. He developed, he won the trust of his comrades and he is playing smart and very well. Yet his achievements are getting play down while Coker is placed on a mantle we're he is untouchable and has to be our QB.
I just hope Sims continues to win. God knows if he doesn't (even if he plays lights out and it's the defense fault) the amount of hate he will get (we all know why too) will be sickening.
Posted on 9/8/14 at 6:19 am to YStar
Saban won't extend a competition to appease a fanbase. The competition is still on because Saban thinks Coker is going to be good and wants to get him reps.
Posted on 9/8/14 at 7:43 am to YStar
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As I said above, if that was Coker who played well against WVU and was easily dominant against FAU, there would be none of this talk. This forum and others would be talking about Heisman's or if he'll leave this year for the draft.
I don't agree with everything you said, but I do suspect this is true.
As far as chatta's post on expectations, maybe they should be higher for Sims but no one should expect perfection. He's played very well but has made a few mistakes which doesn't seem nearly good enough for some people. Isn't that expecting perfection?
Posted on 9/8/14 at 8:03 am to vuvuzela
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Chill the frick out
I think you need to follow my post history in the thread and chill the frick out
Posted on 9/8/14 at 8:23 am to YStar
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Sims took a bad sack while letting the clock run out?
Coker ran the wrong play in the red zone resulting in a turnover? Both Coker's and Sims worst mistakes are equally egregious because they cost us a score.
Posted on 9/8/14 at 8:41 am to YStar
First off, nobody is saying Coker is untouchable. I'm just saying to give him an equal shot as you do with Sims. That's all.
Why is that? Is this some veiled accusation?
I've told you my position. I see where Sims gives us advantages, but I also see where Coker does in a different way. I'm also hesitant for Bama to have 3 and potentially 4 qbs in just as many years.
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(we all know why too)
Why is that? Is this some veiled accusation?
I've told you my position. I see where Sims gives us advantages, but I also see where Coker does in a different way. I'm also hesitant for Bama to have 3 and potentially 4 qbs in just as many years.
Posted on 9/8/14 at 8:49 am to chattabama
Regardless of who ultimately plays there will be mistakes and plays that could cost us a game or two. There will also be plays where the qb pushes us to a win or puts us in position to win it, just like JPW, GMac, and AJ did. If half the fanbase has a Spurrier mindset then we are in for a long year when SEC play hits.
Posted on 9/8/14 at 9:32 am to DrGarth
Blake looked head and shoulders above Coker Saturday, but I'm not gonna let Coker's performance Saturday influence me too much. It was his first meaningful playing time in quite some time. He'll get better as he gets more comfortable, which Blake is already there with the comfort in the system.
Posted on 9/8/14 at 9:52 am to BamaGradinTn
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we can and will win with both of them.
I agree with this. Both bring a unique set of skills to the game plan. I am comfortable with either of them at this point. In a hypothetical tie game against LSU, with 2 minutes left, I think I would rather see Sims under center at this point, but either could likely get the job done.
Posted on 9/8/14 at 3:17 pm to chattabama
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First off, nobody is saying Coker is untouchable. I'm just saying to give him an equal shot as you do with Sims. That's all.
They have. Did they not practice for weeks in camp?
If Coker was the one leading through camp like Sims and starting against WVU and doing amazing against both them and FAU, would you honestly be saying the same thing?
NO. No you wouldn't.
Posted on 9/8/14 at 3:21 pm to YStar
If there were questions on Coker's arm strength that still haven't been quieted and Coker had a terrible a-day then yes, I'd still wonder if his numbers against inferior competition were fools gold or if he really has turned a new leaf.
Are you going to continue with your veiled accusations? I want to know whether I should read your posts or skip over them. TIA.
Are you going to continue with your veiled accusations? I want to know whether I should read your posts or skip over them. TIA.
Posted on 9/8/14 at 3:27 pm to chattabama
quote:Cmon, dude. A-day means absolutely zero right now.
had a terrible a-day
It makes your argument suspect.
This post was edited on 9/8/14 at 3:28 pm
Posted on 9/8/14 at 3:30 pm to chattabama
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If there were questions on Coker's arm strength that still haven't been quieted and Coker had a terrible a-day then yes, I'd still wonder if his numbers against inferior competition were fools gold or if he really has turned a new leaf.
Since when ever and I mean ever has arm strength been a question? Don't care how strong your arm is if you can't control it with accuracy.
Oh and lol at using A-Day as a quantifier as if AJ ever had a good A-Day.
Coker ain't proven shite against top competition, in fact every time he has played he has underwhelmed. Why are you using harsh system to judge Sims and giving Coker a pass here?
You definitely are bias and I don't care if you don't read them. Everybody who isn't bias will read this post and see how bias you are being. It is so blatant.
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Posted on 9/8/14 at 3:31 pm to JuiceTerry
It's the only thing we have of him against a legit defense. Unless you consider WVU or FAU to be legit. Hell our fourth string presents more of a challenge than FAU.
Posted on 9/8/14 at 3:36 pm to chattabama
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It's the only thing we have of him against a legit defense. Unless you consider WVU or FAU to be legit. Hell our fourth string presents more of a challenge than FAU.
How about you discuss the only thing we have of Coker against a legit defense in 2013?
Tell us all how well he did? His stats? TDs? Ints? etc..
Show me you're not bias and treat both players the same.
Posted on 9/8/14 at 3:38 pm to YStar
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Since when ever and I mean ever has arm strength been a question? Don't care how strong your arm is if you can't control it with accuracy.
Do you think that UF will respect Sims as a deep threat or will they make him beat them with his arm? Can he?
Are you saying you genuinely think that Sims can make every throw? I'm not saying he is Jordan Jefferson, but I don't see elite arm strength.
Coker looked sloppy at times, good at others. His first game reminded me of AJ's except Coker hasn't had an interception. I think Sims is better now, but given more time Coker would be better by LSU, auburn, and maybe even the SECCG, playoff, and final. I think Sims is near his ceiling. What he can do he does very well, but I question if what he can do is enough against the elite defenses of tSEC.
Posted on 9/8/14 at 3:48 pm to YStar
Backup time he didn't do very well at FSU, however it's expected that he has gotten better. Unfortunately he didn't go through the spring at Bama to work out some of the kinks from having a season ending injury. I'm expecting for Coker's development to be a little behind given when he came to Bama.
I think a 62% completion percentage for FAU is respectable given the low percentage throws he was making. Id like to see him make more progress in the short to intermediate game and have a better awareness of time management. Time management is something Sims did very well at improving from game one to game two. I am hoping for the same improvement from Coker.
I think a 62% completion percentage for FAU is respectable given the low percentage throws he was making. Id like to see him make more progress in the short to intermediate game and have a better awareness of time management. Time management is something Sims did very well at improving from game one to game two. I am hoping for the same improvement from Coker.
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