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Posted on 10/23/17 at 10:29 am to CrimsonBoz
Posted on 10/23/17 at 10:29 am to CrimsonBoz
What's the time of day, Boz?
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Posted on 10/23/17 at 10:30 am to Huddie Leadbetter
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I would like never to lose a game. It's why it was so frustrating but fairly easy to call last year, and what I and many others would like to avoid this year.
You predicted that our OC would forget that the best RB on the team existed in the second half, causing us to force bad plays?
You can allude to the championship game last year all you want, but the fact is that Jalen single-handedly gave us the lead with 2 minutes to go in the game, when his OC was not helping him out.
But muh pass plays!!!!
Posted on 10/23/17 at 10:32 am to Huddie Leadbetter
I agree with Huddie. I think we're going to see more and more of Tua. He's a better passer as a freshman than Jalen is as a second year starter. And, I'm not sure why anyone is surprised that he can run too. I think, at the very least, we'll have a two QB system next year, IF Tua doesn't win the job outright.
I think Jalen has improved some, but I'm still not confident we won't drop a game against a good team that loads the box.
I think Jalen has improved some, but I'm still not confident we won't drop a game against a good team that loads the box.
This post was edited on 10/23/17 at 10:36 am
Posted on 10/23/17 at 10:33 am to Funky Tide 8
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You predicted that our OC would forget that the best RB on the team existed in the second half, causing us to force bad plays?
No. I said that the lack of a consistent passing game and lack of a balance offense would cause defenses to key on our running game and get us beat.
That lack of a consistent and balanced offense led to only 2 series of more than 5 plays, which led to the defense having to play 99 snaps vs and a good offense, and that lack of a consistent and balanced offense led to only 3 points on the two turnovers the defense forced on Clemson's side of the field.
Spin it any way you want to, but thems the facts.
Posted on 10/23/17 at 10:34 am to Funky Tide 8
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but the fact is that Jalen single-handedly gave us the lead with 2 minutes to go in the game
No he didn't. And would he have have needed to, if we weren't in a hole?
This post was edited on 10/23/17 at 10:35 am
Posted on 10/23/17 at 10:38 am to Teague
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e's a better passer as a freshman than Jalen is as a second year starter.
besides the fact that you are comparing Jalen's play against starters when the game is 0-0, and Tua's garbage time against reserves, these sentiments are so strange to see after a game in which Jalen went 13/21 200 yards 1 TD against a top passing defense in 2 quarters of play, and Tua threw a 90 something yard pick six, while playing against a defeated team.
This post was edited on 10/23/17 at 10:43 am
Posted on 10/23/17 at 10:39 am to Teague
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No he didn't.
okay, so now we are just straight up denying cold hard facts? Sounds about right. Posted on 10/23/17 at 10:40 am to Huddie Leadbetter
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would cause defenses to key on our running game
They keyed in on our running game, and we still gashed them. And then we completely stopped running the ball for really no reason.
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That lack of a consistent and balanced offense led to only 2 series of more than 5 plays, which led to the defense having to play 99 snaps vs and a good offense, and that lack of a consistent and balanced offense led to only 3 points on the two turnovers the defense forced on Clemson's side of the field.
And despite all of that, Jalen put us up with his legs with 2 minutes to go.
Posted on 10/23/17 at 10:43 am to Funky Tide 8
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okay, so now we are just straight up denying cold hard facts? Sounds about right.
I didn't realize Jalen was alone on the field for that play.
Cold hard facts. Football = team sport.
This "single-handedly made big play to win" yadda yadda talk is nonsense. He made a great play (with help from his team) that he wouldn't have needed to make, if he (or someone else) had made a few more more throughout the game. A lot of people get wrapped up in the timing of big plays and and have trouble realizing they wouldn't be nearly so big if the team wasn't TRAILING BECAUSE OF POOR PLAY EARLIER.
Posted on 10/23/17 at 10:45 am to Funky Tide 8
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besides the fact that you are comparing Jalen's play against starters when the game is 0-0, and Tua's garbage time against reserves, these sentiments are so strange to see after a game in which Jalen went 13/21 200 yards 1 TD against a top passing defense in 2 quarters of play, and Tua threw a 90 something yard pick six, while playing against a defeated team.
If you can't tell the difference between a good passing QB, and a less than good passing QB, I can't help you. Nearly everyone else can tell.
Posted on 10/23/17 at 10:48 am to Teague
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I didn't realize Jalen was alone on the field for that play.
Cold hard facts. Football = team sport.
This "single-handedly made big play to win" yadda yadda talk is nonsense.
Generally I'd agree, but he escaped a completely collapsed pocket, and juked and outran the whole defense. I think that Deiter was the only one that made a block on that play, and the play was basically over at that point.
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that he wouldn't have needed to make, if he (or someone else) had made a few more more throughout the game.
Maybe if his OC had have put him in better situations with better playcalls, I'd agree. But as is now clearly evident, Sarkisian is amazing at squandering gameplans with loaded rosters.
Posted on 10/23/17 at 10:54 am to Funky Tide 8
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Maybe if his OC had have put him in better situations with better playcalls, I'd agree. But as is now clearly evident, Sarkisian is amazing at squandering gameplans with loaded rosters.
Sarkisian has nothing to do with every other game where we've seen the same thing - very average passing from Jalen.
Posted on 10/23/17 at 10:54 am to Teague
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If you can't tell the difference between a good passing QB, and a less than good passing QB, I can't help you. Nearly everyone else can tell.
I know that 13/21 200 yards and 1 td in one half against a top ten passing defense is the stats of a good passing QB. I'm not sure how you can possibly argue against that.
I'll drop it. We will all just have to agree to disagree, like always
Posted on 10/23/17 at 10:56 am to Huddie Leadbetter
Huddie, we just beat one of our traditional rivals by 38 points. Of the 45 points we scored, more than half of them (62%, in fact) came when Jalen Hurts was the quarterback.
Of the 7 points scored by Tennessee, 100% of them came when Tua Tagovailoa was the quarterback. He was directly responsible for their only touchdown.
I believe you make some good points. I believe Tua will be an outstanding starting quarterback for us -- possibly this year, if Jalen is injured, or possibly next year, if he wins the competition.
However, to continue to harp on this situation and ignore all other aspects of a truly wonderful beatdown of one of our most despised rivals is myopic in the extreme. We just held Tennessee to their lowest offensive output in years (I think; not sure). We put up more than 600 yards of offense on them. It was an outstanding team win.
By continuing to grind this axe, you're inviting ad hominem attacks. You don't appear to be an Alabama fan; you appear to be a Tua fan. I don't think this is the case, but by continuing to bang out this one note, you're diverting attention away from what should be a celebration, and creating division (or clutter, or a distraction, or rat poison) on this board, if nowhere else.
As a fellow Tide fan, I encourage you to step back from this approach. I'd be willing to bet there are roughly 128 FBS teams in the country who'd be willing to trade our quarterback situation for theirs right now. We have a one-two punch at that position that is almost unprecedented.
Of the 7 points scored by Tennessee, 100% of them came when Tua Tagovailoa was the quarterback. He was directly responsible for their only touchdown.
I believe you make some good points. I believe Tua will be an outstanding starting quarterback for us -- possibly this year, if Jalen is injured, or possibly next year, if he wins the competition.
However, to continue to harp on this situation and ignore all other aspects of a truly wonderful beatdown of one of our most despised rivals is myopic in the extreme. We just held Tennessee to their lowest offensive output in years (I think; not sure). We put up more than 600 yards of offense on them. It was an outstanding team win.
By continuing to grind this axe, you're inviting ad hominem attacks. You don't appear to be an Alabama fan; you appear to be a Tua fan. I don't think this is the case, but by continuing to bang out this one note, you're diverting attention away from what should be a celebration, and creating division (or clutter, or a distraction, or rat poison) on this board, if nowhere else.
As a fellow Tide fan, I encourage you to step back from this approach. I'd be willing to bet there are roughly 128 FBS teams in the country who'd be willing to trade our quarterback situation for theirs right now. We have a one-two punch at that position that is almost unprecedented.
Posted on 10/23/17 at 10:57 am to Funky Tide 8
Y'all are trying to get me fired up on a Monday. It IS best that we just drop it. At this point, what we see is what we're going to get. I worry it may cost us eventually. But, maybe it won't. I'm hoping for 16-0.
But next year, NEXT YEAR, DAMN IT, they better not make me have this conversation again.
But next year, NEXT YEAR, DAMN IT, they better not make me have this conversation again.
Posted on 10/23/17 at 10:58 am to Funky Tide 8
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Maybe if his OC had have put him in better situations with better playcalls, I'd agree. But as is now clearly evident, Sarkisian is amazing at squandering gameplans with loaded rosters.
I’ll be honest Teague it’s hard to argue with this point.
Also, since this is a team sport and not just Jalens fault the defense didn’t win a 50/50 ball all game.
We can spin this whichever way, we came up short, it sucked. I was there. Right in that exact spot we lost, I was 10 yards from it.
Tua is a great talent, truly, but he isn’t ready yet. I’m not even opposed to a 2 QB system. Hell Urban won a NC doing it. However, no designed runs were called for Jalen yesterday, there is a reason.
Posted on 10/23/17 at 11:09 am to Funky Tide 8
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What proof do you have of this? You have none
Twice he made hand motions to Hurts after bad throws against Tenn. And he has done in past games too.
Saturday it was on a wide receiver screen, and on a curl when Jalen threw the ball to the wrong side of his body.
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I just rewatched it, and I did not see any outright ducks. If you can link me to an example, that'd be great.
You didn't pay attention. Just one example, on the aforementioned wr screen, he skipped a ball to Ridley on a WR screen, and timed it so badly that if he had thrown it correctly it might have been a pick six.
This post was edited on 10/23/17 at 11:17 am
Posted on 10/23/17 at 11:13 am to CrimsonBoz
while we are at it - here are my thoughts and observations.
Saban is giving Tua meaningful playing time...in his tenure here at Bama the back up qb was giving the last series and the victory kneeling play. I can't recall a backup getting this much meaningful experience.
Saban sees something in Tua - he recognizes the ability to throw the ball downfield - he is prepping him for "the time" we may need him.
Jalen is a winner - love the guy - but I don't think he can pass us to victory. LSU will need to be the coming out party for Jalen - they are going to make him throw the ball.
AU and GA are perfectly built to stop Jalen. We shall see.
Saban is giving Tua meaningful playing time...in his tenure here at Bama the back up qb was giving the last series and the victory kneeling play. I can't recall a backup getting this much meaningful experience.
Saban sees something in Tua - he recognizes the ability to throw the ball downfield - he is prepping him for "the time" we may need him.
Jalen is a winner - love the guy - but I don't think he can pass us to victory. LSU will need to be the coming out party for Jalen - they are going to make him throw the ball.
AU and GA are perfectly built to stop Jalen. We shall see.
Posted on 10/23/17 at 11:28 am to VaBamaMan
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You didn't pay attention. Just one example, on the aforementioned wr screen, he skipped a ball to Ridley on a WR screen, and timed it so badly that if he had thrown it correctly it might have been a pick six.
Like I said, if you can link me to these "outright ducks" then that'd be great. You can focus all you want on his 3 or 4 off throws, instead of his 13 other really good throws, but then you might run the risk of giving Hurts too much fair praise.
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Twice he made hand motions to Hurts after bad throws against Tenn.
so a couple of times Ridley has been upset at a bad pass means that EVERY game this year, Ridley has been visibly upset? Okay. Furthermore, that sounds like a Ridley problem, not a Hurts problem. You don't see Hurts pitching a fit when Ridley, Sims, Foster, etc drop passes that should have been caught.
Posted on 10/23/17 at 11:28 am to BamaWins15
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AU and GA are perfectly built to stop Jalen. We shall see.
We played basically the same AU defense last year and had 500 yards of offense.
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